Lockdowns

[Nicki]

Just because one party has a lack of talent, it defies logic to pick a Labour party with even less

I really don't care what Boris's views on the EU have been over the years - I just want us out (wrong thread anyway)

The real point is you accuse me of hating the Labour party - I don.t. I just despair at what it has become and can't find its way back to being electable with a strong enough base that could make that a possibility

It will never find its way to being electable with the current right wing media in place. Their performance in recent ears has been scandalous. And of course you don’t care about having a PM who will preach what meets his own personal agenda. Just as you don’t care about the corruption. And that is another reason we are unlikely to see a Labour government for many years to come. Flat out lies and corruption but it’s now just accepted. Oh well, at least it’s not Corbyn blah blah blah, oh well at least we’re out of Europe blah blah blah.
Like I said, until Tories start holding their own accountable there will be no change but you don’t want hear it. So long as you’re in denial then Labour will never meet your standards.

 

[Nicki]

Anyway, back to lockdown... and apologies to Ben for taking his thread off track.

 

[Andy]

The R number is now estimated to be at just 1, falling further this week.

How can they justify a disastrous national lockdown?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...allen-one-raising-hopes-lockdown-can-avoided/

 

[Knutsfordian]

The R number is now estimated to be at just 1, falling further this week.

How can they justify a disastrous national lockdown?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...allen-one-raising-hopes-lockdown-can-avoided/

because the scientists bounced the Government into it. The abuse about death rates means there is no logical decision making, its based on hysteria and fear

 

[Nicki]

Given that the UK terrorism threat has been raised to severe, we may be better off locking down anyway!

 

[Nicki]

The R number has never been high round these South East Cambs parts. Rural surroundings and high (reported) lockdown compliance has helped. It takes ages to wash your hands when you have six fingers on each though! (FT reporting UK R number between 1.1 and 1.3 today.)

You can bet your bottom dollar that our non-resident MP (she lives in Hampstead I believe) will vote for lockdown tomorrow. She's not the rebelling type.

Looks like LSHTM and Warwick are winning the battle of the scientists*.





*And enough with the scientist bashing!

 

[Knutsfordian]

It will never find its way to being electable with the current right wing media in place. Their performance in recent ears has been scandalous. And of course you don’t care about having a PM who will preach what meets his own personal agenda. Just as you don’t care about the corruption. And that is another reason we are unlikely to see a Labour government for many years to come. Flat out lies and corruption but it’s now just accepted. Oh well, at least it’s not Corbyn blah blah blah, oh well at least we’re out of Europe blah blah blah.
Like I said, until Tories start holding their own accountable there will be no change but you don’t want hear it. So long as you’re in denial then Labour will never meet your standards.

As long as Labour behaves the way it does it will not meet the standards of the majority of the people that would be required to get the party elected. As for the Tories - they are quite ruthless in removing leaders likely to lose elections, You think my bias towards the Tories is unwavering, perhaps you need to look closer to home. Regards the media, well the BBC and Sky have been very forgiving towards Labour in recent times, the overall press a bit less so - but there is still plenty of pro Labour coverage in the Guardian, Mirror, Observer etc to present a reasonable diversification, but ultimately people buy papers with messages they agree with, so therein lies Labour's problem. People don't like the message either in the news or at the ballot box.

Regards the lockdown the press have driven this action. No government wants to be accused of thousands of excess deaths, so we get what we deserve by not following social distancing rules. Ultimately that's all that works!

 

[James Wood]

The R number is now estimated to be at just 1, falling further this week.

How can they justify a disastrous national lockdown?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...allen-one-raising-hopes-lockdown-can-avoided/

If you saw the report last night on the BBC news re the situation in Merseyside then you might appreciate how serious this second wave is.

 

[James Wood]

If you saw the report last night on the BBC news re the situation in Merseyside then you might appreciate how serious this second wave is.

Latest R number and growth rate​

Last updated on Friday 30 October 2020.


Latest R number range for the UK 1.1-1.3

Latest growth rate range for the UK +2% to +4%

This was taken from the .Gov website 15 minutes ago.

 

[Nicki]

As long as Labour behaves the way it does it will not meet the standards of the majority of the people that would be required to get the party elected.

??????
If the current government meets YOUR standards then that says an awful lot about you.

None of it particularly pleasant. ?

Let’s agree to disagree. I don’t like corruption in politics. You’re OK with it. I can live with that. ?

 

[Andy]

If you saw the report last night on the BBC news re the situation in Merseyside then you might appreciate how serious this second wave is.

Not my point.

No arguing the NW is a hotspot and requires some sort of restrictions.

However, other areas of the nation are fine, shouldn’t be plunged in to a lockdown. One day in the future things could be fine in the NW and another part of the nation could be a hotspot.

Would we really want to be plunged in to a job killing lockdown in that case? No

Also, cases are on the way down in Merseyside, have been for a while, so presumably the hospital admissions will follow a decline soon.

 

[Nicki]

I just wonder if there’s something in people taking things more seriously when it’s a national lockdown. Forgetting the economic impact for a moment.

Was there panic buying during the early stages of the recent NW lockdowns as we’ve seen nationwide these last few days?

 

[Nicki]

I’ve had my fun. Time to find a new troll ground to play in.

Knutsfordian is too boring; just like Witton’s football ?

Play nice and don’t forget to follow the science. You know it makes sense!

 

[Knutsfordian]

??????
If the current government meets YOUR standards then that says an awful lot about you.

None of it particularly pleasant. ?

Let’s agree to disagree. I don’t like corruption in politics. You’re OK with it. I can live with that. ?

Sorry Nicki I cannot let that statement go unchallenged. I have said before, I don't believe politicians from ANY of the parties are by their nature corrupt and nor do I accept that systematic corruption is an acceptable status of our government or opposition. If corruption is evident it should be rooted out and the miscreants removed from office. So whilst I might agree or disagree with policies from any party I think all politicians should receive some credit for putting themselves up for election in this climate of hate and abuse. Clearly a huge number of people don't share your negative view of our elected representatives, otherwise the democratic system would be dead in the water.

 

[Nicki]

Knutsfordian, as a forum moderator, I have taken the unusual step of banning myself for admission of trolling.

Before I start my self-enforced absence I will leave you with this one thought:

You can take a three-legged donkey to water but you can't make him drink.

 

[Knutsfordian]

Knutsfordian, as a forum moderator, I have taken the unusual step of banning myself for admission of trolling.

Before I start my self-enforced absence I will leave you with this one thought:

You can take a three-legged donkey to water but you can't make him drink.

Or her

 

[Edge]

On the subject of corruption:-

Money for their mates - Good Law Project

The High Court has now ruled Michael Gove broke the law by giving a contract to a communications agency run by long time associates of him and Dominic Cummings. The Court found that the decision to award the £560,000 contract to Public First was tainted by “apparent bias” and was unlawful. You...

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More money awarded to a pest control company - Good Law Project

You may remember Crisp Websites Limited, trading as PestFix, the company with last reported net assets of £18,047. On the 10th June, we sent a judicial review pre-action protocol letter to the Government asking why it had agreed to pay 75% upfront for isolation suits worth £32m, to PestFix...

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Cabinet contacts awarded COVID19 contracts - Good Law Project

Yesterday we circulated extracts from leaked Governments proving the existence of special pathways by which “VIP” and “Cabinet Office” contacts could be awarded lucrative PPE contracts at the height of the pandemic – and at inflated prices. We circulated extracts to protect the anonymity of our...

goodlawproject.org

Exposed: Special procurement channels for 'VIPs' and Cabinet contacts - Good Law Project

Leaked documents seen by Good Law Project set out special pathways by which “VIP” and “Cabinet Office” contacts could be awarded lucrative PPE contracts at the height of the pandemic – and at inflated prices. Lord Bethell, a junior Health Minister, promised that “suppliers will be evaluated by...

goodlawproject.org

 

[Knutsfordian]

On the subject of corruption:-

Money for their mates - Good Law Project

The High Court has now ruled Michael Gove broke the law by giving a contract to a communications agency run by long time associates of him and Dominic Cummings. The Court found that the decision to award the £560,000 contract to Public First was tainted by “apparent bias” and was unlawful. You...

goodlawproject.org

More money awarded to a pest control company - Good Law Project

You may remember Crisp Websites Limited, trading as PestFix, the company with last reported net assets of £18,047. On the 10th June, we sent a judicial review pre-action protocol letter to the Government asking why it had agreed to pay 75% upfront for isolation suits worth £32m, to PestFix...

goodlawproject.org

Cabinet contacts awarded COVID19 contracts - Good Law Project

Yesterday we circulated extracts from leaked Governments proving the existence of special pathways by which “VIP” and “Cabinet Office” contacts could be awarded lucrative PPE contracts at the height of the pandemic – and at inflated prices. We circulated extracts to protect the anonymity of our...

goodlawproject.org

Exposed: Special procurement channels for 'VIPs' and Cabinet contacts - Good Law Project

Leaked documents seen by Good Law Project set out special pathways by which “VIP” and “Cabinet Office” contacts could be awarded lucrative PPE contracts at the height of the pandemic – and at inflated prices. Lord Bethell, a junior Health Minister, promised that “suppliers will be evaluated by...

goodlawproject.org

The good law project says it seeks to hold the government "to account" but is really another pressure group looking to highlight any irregularities in government business to their own political advantage. However If the government is so corrupt and guilty of maladministration, then why aren't the house select committees hanging the government out to dry and the opposition pressing for more disclosure. I repeat any corruption must be investigated and eradicated, but I suspect the GLP isn't motivated by goodness and whole hearted support for good government, but more its own political interests - and therein lies the rub

 

[Edge]

Would it help if the Daily Mail talked about Pestfix ?

Small family-run pest control firm won £108m contract to procure PPE

A family-run pest control company that employs just 16 people was awarded a £108million contract to supply the NHS with PPE at the height of the coronavirus pandemic, it has emerged.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Nothing wrong with a 16 people Pest Control company with assets of less than £20k winning a £108 million contract for supplying PPE is there?

 

[James Wood]

Would it help if the Daily Mail talked about Pestfix ?

Small family-run pest control firm won £108m contract to procure PPE

A family-run pest control company that employs just 16 people was awarded a £108million contract to supply the NHS with PPE at the height of the coronavirus pandemic, it has emerged.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Nothing wrong with a 16 people Pest Control company with assets of less than £20k winning a £108 million contract for supplying PPE is there?

What makes me laugh about this is the “Wallace & Gromit” like name! I’m sure that the fabulous Nick Park created duo actually ran a business called Pest-o-Fix!