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To be fair when the administrator is a "business associate" of Stephen Vaughan and - I assume - known to Jim Rushe was it ever going to be transparent and accountable?
If/when the FA and NWCFL turn a blind eye it will start all over again. Players on ridiculous contracts, inflated crowds, etc. If the rent is £400 a week and 15 players are getting £20 each (I know, I know) where are they going to get that £700 a week to start with? If there is in fact no mystery backer and they expect the 25 supporters to keep "just giving" it's going to be an expensive (half) a season for them. It would be cheaper to get a season ticket at Chelsea. Also does anybody know if the NWCFL still insist of having a certain amount of money in the club's bank account to allow them into the league in the first place? Or at least a bank account!
 
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Sorry to bang on about this - the wider world don't understand the in fighting between 1874 and NVFC and look at the activities of the NVFC supporters as a valiant attempt to save their club. Supporters from far and wide just see the demise of an old club that can be rescued and resurrected. Not saying your wrong or questioning your rationale etc - but other folks don't have the same insights and want NVFC to succeed
 
Knutsfordian said:
Sorry to bang on about this - the wider world don't understand the in fighting between 1874 and NVFC and look at the activities of the NVFC supporters as a valiant attempt to save their club. Supporters from far and wide just see the demise of an old club that can be rescued and resurrected. Not saying your wrong or questioning your rationale etc - but other folks don't have the same insights and want NVFC to succeed
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You're right that outsiders don't have the insights to the JRFC because they don't bother searching the recent history. Just gullible and naive people thinking they're making a difference when in actual fact they're making fools of themselves by being duped by con men, operating in the same shadow as Jim Rushe.

In short it's the difference between what is right and what is wrong and JRFC fans have no honour or respect for themselves, let alone anyone else.

If JRFC fans operated the club in an open, transparent and respectful fan owned manner, using the values and principles set out by Supporters Direct, I would wish them all the best. The fact that they started on the wrong foot has nothing to do with a learning curve it's in their blood and therefore they will be challenged to do it the right way (The hard way) at every opportunity.
 
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Knutsfordian said:
Sorry to bang on about this - the wider world don't understand the in fighting between 1874 and NVFC and look at the activities of the NVFC supporters as a valiant attempt to save their club. Supporters from far and wide just see the demise of an old club that can be rescued and resurrected. Not saying your wrong or questioning your rationale etc - but other folks don't have the same insights and want NVFC to succeed
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So your sitting there reading the just giving page. You see...
A. A side in need of £5000 to stop them folding...or
B. A side in need of £5000 to stop them being double relegated (at least!!) because they haven't paid their bills!!
Which do you give your tenner to??
When the page was set up the person doing so knew that people wouldn't give money to avoid a relegation caused by not paying creditors (which wasn't mentioned in the "proud history"), that haven't been paid all season and longer in some instances, and intentionally stated the club folding in there to mislead people.
This is a prime example of the low, misleading pack of lies that is being fed to people in a desperate bid to extract money.
When these people finally man up and take what is due to them by the misrunning of the club and have the balls to put in the honest hard work (and honest "earned" money), then they will get the support and respect this deserves!!!
 
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Knutsfordian said:
Sorry to bang on about this - the wider world don't understand the in fighting between 1874 and NVFC and look at the activities of the NVFC supporters as a valiant attempt to save their club. Supporters from far and wide just see the demise of an old club that can be rescued and resurrected. Not saying your wrong or questioning your rationale etc - but other folks don't have the same insights and want NVFC to succeed
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Spot on. Which puts us in the unenviable position of trying to be an unofficial watchdog over their activities. If we don't do it, nobody else will. We could just look away and say 'none of our business', but ultimately it is everyone's business, even if the combined powers of financial and football regulatory authorities do nothing. Maybe all will be in vain, but we can at least hold our heads up.
 
I am not saying you are wrong - but your role as "unofficial watchdog" as you call it may not have the impact on others that you would wish purely because in the wider football world they still associate NVFC as a club that has a proud and distinguished past, has had many players who still hold the club in affectionate regard, who don't know (and sometimes don't want to know) about the baggage and who did what to whom, who just want a club to survive (soon after a club like Ilkeston went to the wall) and perhaps perceive that the break away club has a vested interest in seeing the original version die. Be careful that you don't shoot yourselves on the foot.
 
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I am not saying you are wrong - but your role as "unofficial watchdog" as you call it may not have the impact on others that you would wish purely because in the wider football world they still associate NVFC as a club that has a proud and distinguished past, has had many players who still hold the club in affectionate regard, who don't know (and sometimes don't want to know) about the baggage and who did what to whom, who just want a club to survive (soon after a club like Ilkeston went to the wall) and perhaps perceive that the break away club has a vested interest in seeing the original version die. Be careful that you don't shoot yourselves on the foot.
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Hold on!!...one minute "you lot" are on here saying vics are low life's, robbed you of a place in the NPL many years ago and have been living well above their means for years and are now getting exactly what they deserve.
Then, when you want to join in our debates that question their ethics and morals suddenly they are model citizens just wanting to keep their club alive and deserve a chance (regardless of the fact they are still conning money from people). So which is it!!??
 
More inconsistencies...
Anyone spot the error(s)

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JRFC fans could learn a lot from this 1874 adage....

The 8 P's
Proper Prior Planning and Preparation Prevents a Piss Poor Performance
 
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If the Non League Paper report the truth about the real reasons for JRFC raising the money, raised eyebrows will be the least of JRFC's problems.
I not holding my breath, they wouldn't want the truth getting in the way of a good story but now they've been fed the truth do they have any other choice?

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First update in 2 months but then again they are asking for money.

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NVFC tapping up players AGAIN.

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They did it a few months ago to Middlewich players but got caught out by Ross Spieght
 
Hi Blackie . The question was being posed as to why folks are donating money to NVFC when in the past bad management has lead to them defaulting on their debts (amongst other things) and not behaving as they should have done. I am, and have in the past, pointed out that many people outside of Northwich don't get the angst and misgivings about NVFC and are generally supportive of the NVFC and hope it survives. I quite understand why many 1874 supporters take the view they do, but that view isn't necessarily shared by the wider football community. My personal view (and it is only MY view) is that 1874 may not convince that wider football community that NVFC should be allowed to die and it may ultimately harm 1874 for the reasons I have expressed previously.

Far be it for an Albion supporter to step between the 2 warring green factions of the borough, mine is just an outside perspective that is supported by conversations from visiting clubs
 
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Hi Blackie . The question was being posed as to why folks are donating money to NVFC when in the past bad management has lead to them defaulting on their debts (amongst other things) and not behaving as they should have done. I am, and have in the past, pointed out that many people outside of Northwich don't get the angst and misgivings about NVFC and are generally supportive of the NVFC and hope it survives. I quite understand why many 1874 supporters take the view they do, but that view isn't necessarily shared by the wider football community. My personal view (and it is only MY view) is that 1874 may not convince that wider football community that NVFC should be allowed to die and it may ultimately harm 1874 for the reasons I have expressed previously.

Far be it for an Albion supporter to step between the 2 warring green factions of the borough, mine is just an outside perspective that is supported by conversations from visiting clubs
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The more people that read this the better.

Due Diligence
 
I honestly don't know why anyone at 1874 is bothered about things at Vics. You have a fantastic set-up with great support.
 
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I honestly don't know why anyone at 1874 is bothered about things at Vics. You have a fantastic set-up with great support.
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Lay people still don't know the difference between us and them. When they do bad stuff it reflects badly on us too.

That's not to say we're doing a bad job of differentiating ourselves, it's just some people aren't interested enough to know the difference between us.
 
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Its pretty obvious, someone has stumped up the cash to meet the deadline and will be repaid by the just giving money when it gets paid ! nothing wrong in that, Rushe is not involved now in any way so it is just fans trying to save their club.
 
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