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Ben

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I see that the government’s new aim is to have all over 50s and vulnerable groups vaccinated by mid-April and then every adult by the end of July.
It will be interesting to see what this means for how long restrictions will be in place. We’ll know more in the roadmap tomorrow I’m sure.
 

Ben

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What are everyone’s thoughts on Boris’s roadmap?

I’m fairly happy with it and hope we do get the normality he’s aiming for by June.
 

Andy

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What are everyone’s thoughts on Boris’s roadmap?

I’m fairly happy with it and hope we do get the normality he’s aiming for by June.

A little on the slow side, but any step closer to normality is a good thing
 
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Knutsfordian

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A little on the slow side, but any step closer to normality is a good thing
I think people are already taking matters into their own hands. I was in Tatton at the weekend and there were groups of people having picnics in out of the way places, and large groups of families mixing in play areas etc. Coffee on a bench is already happening too. If we get a decent spell of spring weather, I can see people meeting up in private gardens well before the due date at end of March. Personally if folks take care and it doesn't get out of hand it can only do people good and I can't see it being policed anyway.
 
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James Wood

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I think people are already taking matters into their own hands. I was in Tatton at the weekend and there were groups of people having picnics in out of the way places, and large groups of families mixing in play areas etc. Coffee on a bench is already happening too. If we get a decent spell of spring weather, I can see people meeting up in private gardens well before the due date at end of March. Personally if folks take care and it doesn't get out of hand it can only do people good and I can't see it being policed anyway.
It seems a balanced and proportionate approach to me. As long as Boris the Buffoon does as he says he’s going to do and relies on the data rather than dates and doesn’t cave in to the right wing loons who are calling for quicker relaxations then we should be ok.

This is, as you say Knutsfordian, assuming that people keep to the rules. That might be an increasing problem, particularly as more people are vaccinated.

Mention of which, I had my jab at Leighton last night and was super, super impressed with the whole process. Incredibly well organised and efficient.

Everyone associated with this deserves a massive pat on the back
 

Andy

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right wing loons who are calling for quicker relaxations then we should be ok.

So what about left wing people who want faster relaxations? Centre people too? Not everything is a “left - right” issue.

Also good new regarding the vaccine, of course. The light is at the end of the tunnel.
 
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Ben

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I just feel for those businesses who will have to wait a further seven weeks to open and for pubs it’s not until May. We’re in lockdown until April 12 basically and that date is only conditional on everything going well.
 

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So what about left wing people who want faster relaxations? Centre people too? Not everything is a “left - right” issue.

Also good new regarding the vaccine, of course. The light is at the end of the tunnel.
I think that will find that a consistent feature of the pandemic is that it has been the right wing zealots - Young, Oakshott, Swayne, Baker and the rest of the ERG / CRG (one of the same imho) and the idiot MP from Shrewsbury who have been calling for early relaxations
 

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I think that will find that a consistent feature of the pandemic is that it has been the right wing zealots - Young, Oakshott, Swayne, Baker and the rest of the ERG / CRG (one of the same imho) and the idiot MP from Shrewsbury who have been calling for early relaxations

Maajid Nawaz has been a leading anti lockdown voice. He isn’t “right wing”. He previously stood for the lib dems!

And the most fanatical Lockdown Enthusiast is Tory MP Niel O’Brien.

Your logic doesn’t hold much water.
 

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Maajid Nawaz has been a leading anti lockdown voice. He isn’t “right wing”. He previously stood for the lib dems!

And the most fanatical Lockdown Enthusiast is Tory MP Niel O’Brien.

Your logic doesn’t hold much water.
So why are there so many Tory MPs in the CRG pressuring Johnson to relax the restrictions sooner?

My logic holds water as well as a 🪣
 

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So why are there so many Tory MPs in the CRG pressuring Johnson to relax the restrictions sooner?

My logic holds water as well as a 🪣

Stop mistaking 650 MPs for 65million citizens. Of course the majority of MPs don’t care about the restrictions. They’ve sat at home on £80k, without a worry in the world.

Labour are just on the fence, none of them are open about how they really feel. Tory backbenchers are the only ones in parliament standing up against it. But that’s parliament.

But when you look at real people, and not politicians, there’s no correlation between a persons lockdown stance and their political position.

The real world is very different. I’m in my mid 20s, I can assure you that in the 25-30 age bracket there’s very few people who agree with the restrictions, and the majority of this people are left leaning. There is no correlation between political position and lockdown position in the real world.
 
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Ben

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I think that will find that a consistent feature of the pandemic is that it has been the right wing zealots - Young, Oakshott, Swayne, Baker and the rest of the ERG / CRG (one of the same imho) and the idiot MP from Shrewsbury who have been calling for early relaxations
James I’m very much a person of left-wing persuasion and I’ve been critical throughout of the lockdown and restrictions. If the data dictates then why not relax things quicker?

Where do I fit into your stereotype?
 
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James I’m very much a person of left-wing persuasion and I’ve been critical throughout of the lockdown and restrictions. If the data dictates then why not relax things quicker?

Where do I fit into your stereotype?
Ben - you are one of the very few people on the left who have consistently argued for a relaxed approach to lockdown measures. Although from the opposite side of the fence, so did Andy.

Unfortunately this government listened to the siren voices calling for major relaxations in restrictions over summer and Christmas and the entirety predictable result was a second wave which was massively bigger than the first.

I don’t agree with our ‘friend’ Knutsfordian on many matters, but we are aligned on this one.

The greater the contact between humans, the greater the spread of the virus, the higher number of cases, the more hospitalisations, the greater number of deaths, the bigger and more detrimental affect this has on routine healthcare and the ability of our economy to bounce back from the pandemic.

How anyone cannot grasp this simple example of the consequence of cause and effect is quite beyond me. 🤫😡
 

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Stop mistaking 650 MPs for 65million citizens. Of course the majority of MPs don’t care about the restrictions. They’ve sat at home on £80k, without a worry in the world.

Labour are just on the fence, none of them are open about how they really feel. Tory backbenchers are the only ones in parliament standing up against it. But that’s parliament.

But when you look at real people, and not politicians, there’s no correlation between a persons lockdown stance and their political position.

The real world is very different. I’m in my mid 20s, I can assure you that in the 25-30 age bracket there’s very few people who agree with the restrictions, and the majority of this people are left leaning. There is no correlation between political position and lockdown position in the real world.
Andy - I would suggest that the reason that there are very few people in your age range that agree with the restrictions is that the risk to you of getting Covid or being seriously affected by it is pretty low. This is entirely understandable.

In the same way that people of my age and older - particularly those who have underlying health issues - tend to have greater support for the restrictions.

I think that you will find that good or bad, it is called human nature