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What are everyone’s thoughts on Boris’s roadmap?
I’m fairly happy with it and hope we do get the normality he’s aiming for by June.
I think people are already taking matters into their own hands. I was in Tatton at the weekend and there were groups of people having picnics in out of the way places, and large groups of families mixing in play areas etc. Coffee on a bench is already happening too. If we get a decent spell of spring weather, I can see people meeting up in private gardens well before the due date at end of March. Personally if folks take care and it doesn't get out of hand it can only do people good and I can't see it being policed anyway.A little on the slow side, but any step closer to normality is a good thing
It seems a balanced and proportionate approach to me. As long as Boris the Buffoon does as he says he’s going to do and relies on the data rather than dates and doesn’t cave in to the right wing loons who are calling for quicker relaxations then we should be ok.I think people are already taking matters into their own hands. I was in Tatton at the weekend and there were groups of people having picnics in out of the way places, and large groups of families mixing in play areas etc. Coffee on a bench is already happening too. If we get a decent spell of spring weather, I can see people meeting up in private gardens well before the due date at end of March. Personally if folks take care and it doesn't get out of hand it can only do people good and I can't see it being policed anyway.
right wing loons who are calling for quicker relaxations then we should be ok.
I think that will find that a consistent feature of the pandemic is that it has been the right wing zealots - Young, Oakshott, Swayne, Baker and the rest of the ERG / CRG (one of the same imho) and the idiot MP from Shrewsbury who have been calling for early relaxationsSo what about left wing people who want faster relaxations? Centre people too? Not everything is a “left - right” issue.
Also good new regarding the vaccine, of course. The light is at the end of the tunnel.
I think that will find that a consistent feature of the pandemic is that it has been the right wing zealots - Young, Oakshott, Swayne, Baker and the rest of the ERG / CRG (one of the same imho) and the idiot MP from Shrewsbury who have been calling for early relaxations
So why are there so many Tory MPs in the CRG pressuring Johnson to relax the restrictions sooner?Maajid Nawaz has been a leading anti lockdown voice. He isn’t “right wing”. He previously stood for the lib dems!
And the most fanatical Lockdown Enthusiast is Tory MP Niel O’Brien.
Your logic doesn’t hold much water.
So why are there so many Tory MPs in the CRG pressuring Johnson to relax the restrictions sooner?
My logic holds water as well as a ?
James I’m very much a person of left-wing persuasion and I’ve been critical throughout of the lockdown and restrictions. If the data dictates then why not relax things quicker?I think that will find that a consistent feature of the pandemic is that it has been the right wing zealots - Young, Oakshott, Swayne, Baker and the rest of the ERG / CRG (one of the same imho) and the idiot MP from Shrewsbury who have been calling for early relaxations
Ben - you are one of the very few people on the left who have consistently argued for a relaxed approach to lockdown measures. Although from the opposite side of the fence, so did Andy.James I’m very much a person of left-wing persuasion and I’ve been critical throughout of the lockdown and restrictions. If the data dictates then why not relax things quicker?
Where do I fit into your stereotype?
Andy - I would suggest that the reason that there are very few people in your age range that agree with the restrictions is that the risk to you of getting Covid or being seriously affected by it is pretty low. This is entirely understandable.Stop mistaking 650 MPs for 65million citizens. Of course the majority of MPs don’t care about the restrictions. They’ve sat at home on £80k, without a worry in the world.
Labour are just on the fence, none of them are open about how they really feel. Tory backbenchers are the only ones in parliament standing up against it. But that’s parliament.
But when you look at real people, and not politicians, there’s no correlation between a persons lockdown stance and their political position.
The real world is very different. I’m in my mid 20s, I can assure you that in the 25-30 age bracket there’s very few people who agree with the restrictions, and the majority of this people are left leaning. There is no correlation between political position and lockdown position in the real world.
Andy - I would suggest that the reason that there are very few people in your age range that agree with the restrictions is that the risk to you of getting Covid or being seriously affected by it is pretty low. This is entirely understandable.
In the same way that people of my age and older - particularly those who have underlying health issues - tend to have greater support for the restrictions.
I think that you will find that good or bad, it is called human nature
Exactly my point James. Not much to do with how people voted, but how at risk they fee they are.
James, I don’t think political views have a big bearing on your stance on lockdowns. Age is definitely a big factor but also someone’s situation. If you’re a middle class professional, zoom meetings and a nice big garden is quite inviting. But if you’re a young couple living in a cramped flat, working from home, you’ll probably have a different view.Ben - you are one of the very few people on the left who have consistently argued for a relaxed approach to lockdown measures. Although from the opposite side of the fence, so did Andy.
Unfortunately this government listened to the siren voices calling for major relaxations in restrictions over summer and Christmas and the entirety predictable result was a second wave which was massively bigger than the first.
I don’t agree with our ‘friend’ Knutsfordian on many matters, but we are aligned on this one.
The greater the contact between humans, the greater the spread of the virus, the higher number of cases, the more hospitalisations, the greater number of deaths, the bigger and more detrimental affect this has on routine healthcare and the ability of our economy to bounce back from the pandemic.
How anyone cannot grasp this simple example of the consequence of cause and effect is quite beyond me. ??
Ben - fully agree with your view that your stance will be influenced by your own personal circumstances.James, I don’t think political views have a big bearing on your stance on lockdowns. Age is definitely a big factor but also someone’s situation. If you’re a middle class professional, zoom meetings and a nice big garden is quite inviting. But if you’re a young couple living in a cramped flat, working from home, you’ll probably have a different view.
I don’t disagree with your points about social contact but are you forgetting one big thing? The vaccine?
James, I don’t think political views have a big bearing on your stance on lockdowns. Age is definitely a big factor but also someone’s situation. If you’re a middle class professional, zoom meetings and a nice big garden is quite inviting. But if you’re a young couple living in a cramped flat, working from home, you’ll probably have a different view.
I don’t disagree with your points about social contact but are you forgetting one big thing? The vaccine?
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