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Vaccine development etc wasn't anything to do with procurement & tendering processes, Knutsfordian - it was scientific research grant funding, which the govt rightly ploughed into lots of different pharma companies, just as other countries' governments (and the EU) did. That money helped make it possible for the vaccines to be developed so quickly.

As most have said, on vaccines this govt gambled and have got it right.
 

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Vaccine development etc wasn't anything to do with procurement & tendering processes, Knutsfordian - it was scientific research grant funding, which the govt rightly ploughed into lots of different pharma companies, just as other countries' governments (and the EU) did. That money helped make it possible for the vaccines to be developed so quickly.

As most have said, on vaccines this govt gambled and have got it right.

Mmm not sure you can separate the elements of buying the vaccines in the way you would wish. Normally the NHS would have gone through a long drug evaluation process with a business case based on the benefits the drugs delivered.

With vaccines the government took a completely different track, investing huge amounts of money directly in the research and manufacturing process, with guaranteed orders.

It was the correct approach and goes to support the view that in times of adversity and emergency, governments need to be prepared to go outside process, react differently and take risks.

It is what they have done across a number of pandemic project work streams including procuring PPE
 

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Mmm not sure you can separate the elements of buying the vaccines in the way you would wish. Normally the NHS would have gone through a long drug evaluation process with a business case based on the benefits the drugs delivered.

With vaccines the government took a completely different track, investing huge amounts of money directly in the research and manufacturing process, with guaranteed orders.

It was the correct approach and goes to support the view that in times of adversity and emergency, governments need to be prepared to go outside process, react differently and take risks.

It is what they have done across a number of pandemic project work streams including procuring PPE
So why didn’t they take the risk of taking on board the recommendations of Operation Cygnus?

If they had done so then they would have been less likely to have been caught with their pants down when the pandemic hit rather than scrabbling around ordering unsuitable PPE from their Bessie mates
 

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So why didn’t they take the risk of taking on board the recommendations of Operation Cygnus?

If they had done so then they would have been less likely to have been caught with their pants down when the pandemic hit rather than scrabbling around ordering unsuitable PPE from their Bessie mates
And if they bought tons of PPE based on the findings from Cygnus, whose to say that would have been fit for purpose for a Covid infection?

Every country in Europe had either no PPE, or the wrong type of PPE, so we were not on our own. Even the lauded Germans have had their problems

I know its really hard for some folks to accept, but against the backdrop of severe loss of life, the UK has developed world leading, tests, drugs, vaccines, respirators and PPE. At various points in this pandemic, whilst under the severest of criticism, the government was still strong and bold enough to make good decisions for the long term to the point that now we are almost self sufficient in our supply of equipment and drugs and with long term investments in Pharma to build on for the future.

I said way back at the beginning that this government may come out of this pandemic in far better shape than some people wanted or expected. That's looking to increasingly to be the case
 

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And if they bought tons of PPE based on the findings from Cygnus, whose to say that would have been fit for purpose for a Covid infection?

Every country in Europe had either no PPE, or the wrong type of PPE, so we were not on our own. Even the lauded Germans have had their problems

I know its really hard for some folks to accept, but against the backdrop of severe loss of life, the UK has developed world leading, tests, drugs, vaccines, respirators and PPE. At various points in this pandemic, whilst under the severest of criticism, the government was still strong and bold enough to make good decisions for the long term to the point that now we are almost self sufficient in our supply of equipment and drugs and with long term investments in Pharma to build on for the future.

I said way back at the beginning that this government may come out of this pandemic in far better shape than some people wanted or expected. That's looking to increasingly to be the case
Exercise Cygnus identified 4 key learning outcomes:

  1. The development of a pandemic ‘concept of operations’ would assist in managing a cross-government and multi-agency response, ie how government works with responders
  2. The introduction of legislative easements would assist with the implementation of measures that might be employed during a pandemic
  3. Public reactions in response to a reasonable worst-case pandemic influenza need to be better understood
  4. An effective response would require capability and capacity to surge services to meet demand.
 

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Exercise Cygnus identified 4 key learning outcomes:

  1. The development of a pandemic ‘concept of operations’ would assist in managing a cross-government and multi-agency response, ie how government works with responders
  2. The introduction of legislative easements would assist with the implementation of measures that might be employed during a pandemic
  3. Public reactions in response to a reasonable worst-case pandemic influenza need to be better understood
  4. An effective response would require capability and capacity to surge services to meet demand.
Hmmmm. Didn’t quite get No 4 right did they?

Unless of course the ‘capability to surge services’ means awarding contracts worth £Ms to their mates without competition?
 

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Exercise Cygnus identified 4 key learning outcomes:

  1. The development of a pandemic ‘concept of operations’ would assist in managing a cross-government and multi-agency response, ie how government works with responders
  2. The introduction of legislative easements would assist with the implementation of measures that might be employed during a pandemic
  3. Public reactions in response to a reasonable worst-case pandemic influenza need to be better understood
  4. An effective response would require capability and capacity to surge services to meet demand.
That's not quite the same as not providing PPE and, I suspect, that the government to point to many pandemic activities that support those learning points both in PHE, NHS and wider services.
 

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Hmmmm. Didn’t quite get No 4 right did they?

Unless of course the ‘capability to surge services’ means awarding contracts worth £Ms to their mates without competition?
What you mean like building nightingale hospitals, dedicating wards in the NHS, bringing retired people back into service, using the army and so on .............
 

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What you mean like building nightingale hospitals, dedicating wards in the NHS, bringing retired people back into service, using the army and so on .............
The Nightingale hospitals that cost £Ms, had no patients or staff to treat them. A massive con and publicity stunt. Just like the ‘World Beating’ Serco T&T system. Remember ‘The Moonshot’?

All par for the course for this bunch of incompetent braggarts, liars and conmen.
 

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Yep 400,000 tests per day being sent directly to the public.
Funny that we should be talking about the moonshot.
What cost more? NASA'S mission to Mars or the UK track and trace system? 🤫

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The truth laid bare about Tory corruption and cronyism.

Scanalous does not do this justice

Sorry James breach of process does not equate to corruption. Yes contract details should be published, but doesn't necessarily follow that all the contracts awarded were result of bribes and illegal behaviour.
 

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Sorry James breach of process does not equate to corruption. Yes contract details should be published, but doesn't necessarily follow that all the contracts awarded were result of bribes and illegal behaviour.
Breach of process? Here is exactly what the Judge said

Judge Martin Chamberlain said if the government “continues to fail to publish contract award notices within 30 days it is doing so in full knowledge it is breaching the law.”

It has not met this criteria in several cases. QED they have acted unlawfully. That is hardly a “breach of process”.
 

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Breach of process? Here is exactly what the Judge said

Judge Martin Chamberlain said if the government “continues to fail to publish contract award notices within 30 days it is doing so in full knowledge it is breaching the law.”

It has not met this criteria in several cases. QED they have acted unlawfully. That is hardly a “breach of process”.
and he also said

Mr Justice Chamberlain acknowledged that the situation faced by the DHSC during the first few months of the pandemic had been "unprecedented".
He said it was "understandable that attention was focused on procuring what was thought necessary to save lives".

Buried on the inside pages of the BBC website, the media obviously doesn't share your view that corruption is at the heart of the government's business
 

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and he also said

Mr Justice Chamberlain acknowledged that the situation faced by the DHSC during the first few months of the pandemic had been "unprecedented".
He said it was "understandable that attention was focused on procuring what was thought necessary to save lives".

Buried on the inside pages of the BBC website, the media obviously doesn't share your view that corruption is at the heart of the government's business
“The three PPE contracts thar were used to illustrate the case were a £252m contract for the supply of face masks with a finance company - Ayanda Capital- a £108m contract with Clandeboye Agencies - which had previously supplied only confectionery products - and PPE contracts worth £345m with a company trading as Pestfix.“

I bet that front line NHS and care staff who were on the front line and most at threat of catching the virus were greatly comforted by the fact that the government procured such vital protective from such experienced companies who had previously lined the pockets of the Tory party 😡