General Election 2017

[paul]

Don't listen to Kit

Vote Labour! May couldn't deliver a pizza, let alone Brexit.

Are we helping you Paul?

A bit, but if Esther McVey could deliver my pizza I might be swayed back to the Tories Nicki. Lol

 

[paul]

I've stayed out of the political debate and will continue to do so. However can someone explain what is a "bad deal" and IF we walked away from the negotiating table, what "no deal" would look like for the country and how we as a nation could move on without a deal?
Genuine question, no party political histrionics about Corbyn, Fallon or May please. Just looking for a straightforward answer.

Absolutely no idea mate. I don't think anyone knows.

 

[Nicki]

May making a big thing of the fox hunting issue has seriously made me think she doesn't actually want this. She has literally ***** off 70% of her supporters with that one policy (including me!). Why on earth did she do that??

One of the more bizarre things in this campaign. My theory is that it is just another decision taken specifically with their 'old boys network' in mind.

If you're ultra cynical you'd also have to question just who the dementia tax was set-up to benefit. Equity release mortgages anyone....?

 

[Nicki]

A bit, but if Esther McVey could deliver my pizza I might be swayed back to the Tories Nicki. Lol

I'm led to believe that our Tory candidate down here - Heidi Allen - is one for the boys too!

 

[Alan M]

I think the problem is that a "bad deal" is whatever the person doing the negotiating considers to be a bad deal. It cannot be defined until it is on the table, and there are so many variables. One (wo)man's bad deal might be another's reasonable compromise.
"No deal" presumably (but who really knows?) means we just tear up all the paperwork, get a blank sheet of paper, and start negotiating with everyone afresh as a country with no links to the EU. Including with the EU. And in the meantime we operate WTO rules with regard to international trade, with tarifs, quotas, etc.
Plus of course all the other myriad aspects of EU membership will cease, from reciprocal residency agreements through university research projects to international police warrants, etc etc etc.

 

[paul]

One of the more bizarre things in this campaign. My theory is that it is just another decision taken specifically with their 'old boys network' in mind.

If you're ultra cynical you'd also have to question just who the dementia tax was set-up to benefit. Equity release mortgages anyone....?

She just doesn't seem to be in touch with, or understand, average Joe on the street. That has been very clear throughout this campaign it has completely put me off her. She is not interested in us northerners its all about London and the south. Gutted because I liked her at first but I am seeing through it all now.

 

[paul]

I'm led to believe that our Tory candidate down here - Heidi Allen - is one for the boys too!

Labour have Liz Kendall tbf it can't all be one way traffic!

 

[Nicki]

She just doesn't seem to be in touch with, or understand, average Joe on the street.

That's because she's done everything she can to avoid getting remotely close to Joe Public. It's as if she thinks we're the great unwashed. She will only ever surround herself with carefully selected people.

She is not a leader 'of the people' that's for sure. She knows that but you'd think she'd manage to overcome some of her discomfort for the sake of the greater cause.

 

[Alan M]

Came back on to point people (Tez!) at the interview with a Professor of EU Law at the Univ of Cambridge which has just this minute (5:20) been on 5 Live, all about "what does "no deal" mean?" iPlayer is your friend ...

But also have to agree on the Liz Kendall point before I try to get some more work done.

 

[paul]

Came back on to point people (Tez!) at the interview with a Professor of EU Law at the Univ of Cambridge which has just this minute (5:20) been on 5 Live, all about "what does "no deal" mean?" iPlayer is your friend ...

But also have to agree on the Liz Kendall point before I try to get some more work done.

She would make an excellent PM, certainly better than what is on offer IMO (and yes quite pleasant on the eye too).

 

[Nicki]

Good to see BBC's balanced coverage of Corbyn's momentary memory loss. Man in can't recall one of hundreds of figures, doesn't want to give the wrong answer shocker.

Lead story on the 6 o'clock news. Sigh.

Of course the Tories will never fall foul of forgetting their figures because THEY HAVEN'T ACTUALLY COSTED ANYTHING! Very cunning.

I can only assume from Mayhem's comments that the Brexit negotiations will take place without reference to any material and it will all have to be done by committing everything to memory. So very lame. The Tories have nothing of substance to campaign on. Not one thing.

 

[Ben]

^
Not forgetting Labour MPs Lisa Nandy, Lucy Powell and Caroline Flint

 

[Kit]

He has promised a whole raft of stuff that is uncosted and totally unaffordable. It all sounds great and has caught people's ears. It is totally unrealistic. How long and how costly would it be to renationalise? The last labour government threw billions at education - yet standards fell to record levels. It's not all about chucking money we haven't got at something. He couldn't answer the question because he has lost track of how much everything would cost. We would all have to pay for it; one way would be his land tax which would replace council tax. I believe my bill would rise to £4000 and I'm a public sector worker! It's easy to make promises when youre an opposition party that, at the start of the campaign, had little chance of having to deliver.

 

[Nicki]

It's also easy for us to just rubbish everything without really having any clue of what things will cost ourselves but saying it because it suits our stance!

It's interesting that the Tories have gone to the effort to try and cost the so-called garden tax. Seems they know more about that then they do their own figures! Though the only reports I've seen on the garden tax appear in the Daily Mail and the Telegraph...

 

[Kit]

But it would have to be paid for some how...we are talking of billions and billions to see his plans through. National debt would rise because generally that is what happens with a labour government; with a stronger socialist one it would go through the roof. It's all by-the-by anyway because his own party would shackle him.

 

[Nicki]

If I thought I had what it takes to cost it out I would - but I don't - so I won't.

I'm pretty certain though that it's going to cost billions and billions to see the Tories plans through too.

None of us really knows what anything will cost; we've all got to do what we think is right for us, our families, and (for some people) for others. That's what the election is about right?

 

[Kit]

I'm not tribal to any party but it would be best for Labour in the long run if they got thumped (something I don't now think will happen). If Corbyn does better than expected he stays and keeps pushing ideologies his party don't back. If he wins, I don't think he will be able to pull any of his plans off and will label the Labour Party as failing socialists for the next two decades. Better that he gets a thrashing and then is forced to leave - someone like Andy Burnham would reunite the party.

 

[Nicki]

He won't win.

But in any case, aren't you doing what many accused remainers of doing? Many in the country back Corbyn but that can't possibly mean that they back his socialist views?

Got to agree that Andy Burnham would be a good leader though.

 

[Alan M]

National debt would rise because generally that is what happens with a labour government; with a stronger socialist one it would go through the roof.

Our national debt has risen under this government and continues to rise at a rate of around £5000 per second. Cutting the deficit (which is what the Conservatives promised to get to zero by 2015) simply means borrowing less. But less is not nothing, so the debt continues to grow, as indeed it does in most western countries.

The mystery to me is who is lending us all the money!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39897498

 

[paul]

^
Not forgetting Labour MPs Lisa Nandy, Lucy Powell and Caroline Flint

Lisa Nandy is another Labour MP that talks a fair bit ot sense. The problem is the majority of her colleagues do not. Same goes for the Tories.

The country should be able to hand pick the best from both parties and put them together, which might just result in a half decent government! I'm not sure there would be enough though!