General Election 2017

[Andy]

Well, with a snap Election called, we'll have an 1874 fans opinion poll.

 

[Blackie]

I've always voted labour but can't stand Corbyn that's out!!
Voted for brexit so hate to say this, but will have to vote conservative!

 

[Andy]

Below is a list of the Constituencies in the surrounding area, and who holds them currently.

Warrington South - CON (Majority: 2,750)
Weaver Vale - CON (Majority: 806)
Tatton - CON (Majority: 18,241)
Eddisbury - CON (Majority: 12,974)

I can't see anything other than increased majorities for the Conservatives in each one.

 

[Tez]

Below is a list of the Constituencies in the surrounding area, and who holds them currently.

Warrington South - CON (Majority: 2,750)
Waver Vale - CON (Majority: 806)
Tatton - CON (Majority: 18,241)
Eddisbury - CON (Majority: 12,974)

I can't see anything other than increased majorities for the Conservatives in each one.

If nothing else, please let that prat representing Weaver Vale get the bums rush.

 

[wittonwonder]

Only because Martin Bell isn't standing again in Tatton, no doubt another toff will be parachuted in and Gideon will make a tidy sum on his lovely farmhouse (having flipped it's designation three times and paid back £5,000 odd of the £50,000 odd he made at one stage of doing that)! We have paid for his Aga to be serviced every year he's been here.

 

[Tez]

My choice at the ballot box remains open-minded ..... at present. Need to know what representatives will do for me locally; subsidised/affordable public transport for starters, a veritable political hot potato given the proposals for a congestion charge at peak times in town which I believe are still on the backburner.

 

[paul]

I've always voted labour but can't stand Corbyn that's out!!
Voted for brexit so hate to say this, but will have to vote conservative!

Agree with blackie on absolutely nothing football wise but will be voting exactly the same way for the same reasons.

 

[Alan M]

Until we get some form of proportional representation there will be too many wasted votes in this and any other election. Down here there's not even much point voting tactically.

 

[Atticus Finch]

Agree with blackie on absolutely nothing football wise but will be voting exactly the same way for the same reasons.

So you would rather vote for a party that you have never voted for and that has only its self-interests and the establishment at heart rather than a party that has always and will continue to represent the interests of (extra) ordinary working families who continue to do great things despite the shackles placed upon them by years of austerity policies placed on them by Posh Dave and his mates and now Liar, Liar, Pants on Fire May?

Just because you don't agree with probably the most principled and decent party leader the Labour has had in decades? (I'd say that the Liberal Democrats, SNP and Plaid Cymru have to) you choose not to vote for him?

Pretty strange logic there I might say.....

Ask yourself one thing (and apologies to Monty Python and 'The Life of Brian' here).

What have the Tories ever done for us?

Oh, let me recall.

The bedroom tax.
The Poll Tax.
Destruction of the UK's heavy industry.
Opposition to every form of devolution
Opposition to the minimum and living wage
Opposition to LGBT rights
Opposition to just about every improvement that any progressive party has made to improve the rights of ordinary people
Supported the Apartheid regime in South Africa and the Pinochet dictatorship in Chile.
Wish to reduce our Foreign Aid budget
Wanted us out of Europe (despite the last 70 years being the most peaceful ever on the continent)

Leopards don't change their spots.

The 'Nasty' party - as May once called her own - are still very much around and giving them another 5 years will not be good news for the vast majority of us.

Your call......

 

[paul]

So you would rather vote for a party that you have never voted for and that has only its self-interests and the establishment at heart rather than a party that has always and will continue to represent the interests of (extra) ordinary working families who continue to do great things despite the shackles placed upon them by years of austerity policies placed on them by Posh Dave and his mates and now Liar, Liar, Pants on Fire May?

Just because you don't agree with probably the most principled and decent party leader the Labour has had in decades? (I'd say that the Liberal Democrats, SNP and Plaid Cymru have to) you choose not to vote for him?

Pretty strange logic there I might say.....

Ask yourself one thing (and apologies to Monty Python and 'The Life of Brian' here).

What have the Tories ever done for us?

Oh, let me recall.

The bedroom tax.
The Poll Tax.
Destruction of the UK's heavy industry.
Opposition to every form of devolution
Opposition to the minimum and living wage
Opposition to LGBT rights
Opposition to just about every improvement that any progressive party has made to improve the rights of ordinary people
Supported the Apartheid regime in South Africa and the Pinochet dictatorship in Chile.
Wish to reduce our Foreign Aid budget
Wanted us out of Europe (despite the last 70 years being the most peaceful ever on the continent)

Leopards don't change their spots.

The 'Nasty' party - as May once called her own - are still very much around and giving them another 5 years will not be good news for the vast majority of us.

Your call......

Thanks for that. But I want mine (and the majority of the countries by the way) vote to be respected from the EU referendum. The Tories are the only party that will deliver it. It's as simple as that.

 

[Andy]

Destruction of the UK's heavy industry.

So, were the Tories responsible for the loss of industry across Italy, France, Spain and the rest of Europe? No. That's down to Globalisation and the European Union

Opposition to LGBT rights

Gay Marriage was legalised by a Conservative led government. Labour didn't bother in 13 years off office previous to that.

Wanted us out of Europe

Not technically true. The conservatives official stance during the refurendum was "Neutral". They offered a refurendum, the public decided.


"The conservatives do nothing for normal people" is an outdated quote that's still banded around.

- Tax threshold now above £12,000. Almost double what it was under labour, meaning more money in the pockets of the lowest earners.

- Hundereds of Thousands of apprenticeships, meaning hunderends of thousands of young people have been given a chance at a career.

- And most importantly, taking the UK out the EU. A corrupt establishment that's destroyed the working class not just in the U.K., but right across Europe.


What are the alternatives?

Labour - A joke of a party. Even they can't decide what their stance on anything is. Jeremy Corbyn at the helm, a man who paints himself as "Anti-establishment" but in reality has spent over 30 years sat on the back benches of parliament doing nothing but leech of the tax payer. He couldn't be a bigger part of the establishment if he tried. Champagne Socialist.

Doesn't stop there. His cabinet would consist of John McDonnell, a vile man that openly admitted that he celebrated the financial collapse of 2009 that ruined the lives of millions. Don't forget Dianne Abbott, she doesn't know what day of the week it is.

A party that just wants nothing more than to take as much money out of your pocket as they can.

Labour are the party of the people? Not a chance. It's a party for the North London middle class liberals that have never been further north than Coventry.


Lib Dems - Well, like atticus said "Leopards don't change their spots". This party will say anything to get a vote. Should change their logo from a bird to a snake.

Dim Tim might be getting carried away, his Cumbrian consitiuents aren't very happy with him at all. He's got a real fight on his hands just to keep his own seat.

UKIP - UKIP are a party that has had some great talent that could have really done well in the north, such as Stephen Wolfe. However, with Paul Nuttall as leader, this election may be too early for them to cause any real damage to Labour in the North.

Green - yeah why bother?

 

[paul]

So, we're the Tories responsible for the loss of industry across Italy, France, Spain and the rest of Europe? No. That's down to Globalisation and the European Union




Gay Marriage was legalised by a Conservative led government. Labour didn't bother in 13 years off office previous to that.




Not technically true. The conservatives official stance during the refurendum was "Neutral". They offered a refurendum, the public decided.


"The conservatives do nothing for normal people" is an outdated quote that's still banded around.

- Tax threshold now above £12,000. Almost double what it was under labour, meaning more money in the pockets of the lowest earners.

- Hundereds of Thousands of apprenticeships, meaning hunderends of thousands of young people have been given a chance at a career.

- And most importantly, taking the UK out the EU. A corrupt establishment that's destroyed the working class not just in the U.K., but right across Europe.


What are the alternatives?

Labour - A joke of a party. Even they can't decide what their stance on anything is. Jeremy Corbyn at the helm, a man who paints himself as "Anti-establishment" but in reality has spent over 30 years sat on the back benches of parliament doing nothing but leech of the tax payer. He couldn't be a bigger part of the establishment if he tried. Champagne Socialist.

Doesn't stop there. His cabinet would consist of John McDonnell, a vile man that openly admitted that he celebrated the financial collapse of 2009 that ruined the lives of millions. Don't forget Dianne Abbott, she doesn't know what day of the week it is.

A party that just wants nothing more than to take as much money out of your pocket as they can.

Labour are the party of the people? Not a chance. It's a party for the North London middle class liberals that have never been further north than Coventry.


Lib Dems - Well, like atticus said "Leopards don't change their spots". This party will say anything to get a vote. Should change their logo from a bird to a snake.

Dim Tim might be getting carried away, his Cumbrian consitiuents aren't very happy with him at all. He's got a real fight on his hands just to keep his own seat.

UKIP - UKIP are a party that has had some great talent that could have really done well in the north, such as Stephen Wolfe. However, with Paul Nuttall as leader, this election may be too early for them to cause any real damage to Labour in the North.

Green - yeah why bother?

UKIP needn't bother about winning seats in the north from Labour as the Tories will hoover a lot of them up anyway. As they will do in Scotland too I reckon. We will become the UK again at last thank god.

 

[Andy]

Think you're right, Paul.

The working class North voted for Brexit, the Tories are the only ones that will deliver it.

I've always said, if Corbyn walked into a pub in Barnsley and talked to avereage labour Voter 50 year old John Smith, he'd be very very surprised at what he heard.

On another not, Corbyns whole Stick is "inequality". It doesn't really exist tho, does it?

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[Alan M]

Just a couple of points (call them corrections if you will) ...
- there is plenty of industry flourishing (with covert state help) in France for example, and try going to the Czech Republic if you want to see a growing industrial base
- the Equalities Act of the previous Labour govt started the 21st c ball rolling with LGBT rights
- the Tories offered a referendum on the EU as a matter of political expediency to appease their 'out-of-EU' wing at the last election and never expected to be in a position to actually deliver it
- tax threshold is 11,500

The whole election is another piece of political expediency and a farce which makes a mockery of the (Conservatives') introduction of the Fixed Term Parliament Act. One U-turn after another. No wonder people are fed up with politics.

 

[Andy]

- there is plenty of industry flourishing (with covert state help) in France for example, and try going to the Czech Republic if you want to see a growing industrial base

Correct about France, the Nuclear industry is flourishing there. But you won't be getting that with Corbyn!

And yes, the Westerm European industries have indeed moved East. Like I said, Globalisatoon and the EU

 

[paul]

Just a couple of points (call them corrections if you will) ...
- there is plenty of industry flourishing (with covert state help) in France for example, and try going to the Czech Republic if you want to see a growing industrial base
- the Equalities Act of the previous Labour govt started the 21st c ball rolling with LGBT rights
- the Tories offered a referendum on the EU as a matter of political expediency to appease their 'out-of-EU' wing at the last election and never expected to be in a position to actually deliver it
- tax threshold is 11,500

The whole election is another piece of political expediency and a farce which makes a mockery of the (Conservatives') introduction of the Fixed Term Parliament Act. One U-turn after another. No wonder people are fed up with politics.

Alan - Theresa May has been pushed into a corner by all who could not accept the EU referendum result. Examples - Gina Miller and her high profile lawyers, the House of Lords, Tony Blair, Clegg, Farron, Sturgeon and Salmon threatening to rip the UK apart. They have all had a go at defying the will of the majority of the British voters.

And giving all the remoaners one last go at having their way is a "farce" and "people are fed up with politics"? Talk about having your cake and eating it. Ridiculous comment, which bit of democracy can you not grasp?!

 

[Alan M]

Which bit of my post criticised democracy? My criticism was not of democracy or the processes of democracy but of the misuse of the democratic mechanisms (by those wielding the power) eg elections/referenda etc for other purposes. From all sides over the years. The referendum was not offered to the public to satisfy the public but to win their election votes and to counter a political threat. The simple fact that Cameron never dreamt he would lose it is evidence of that (and that is why Sturgeon will only go for a referendum if she thinks she'll win it). The election is a blatant attempt to exploit the weakness of the opposition mid-Parliament on some vague and unsubstantiated pretence that it will make May's bargaining position with the EU stronger.

 

[Andy]

Labour claim they have a "rolling manifesto".

In other words they're making it up they go along.

 

[Nicki]

And May isn't?

 

[Alan M]

To be fair to them (and indeed other parties), it is hardly likely that they would have a ready-made election manifesto etc sitting on the shelf 3 years in advance of when the election was due to be held.

What exactly is wrong with a "rolling manifesto" anyway? Other than I am not sure what it means, as I've not heard the term used till I read it on here. Presumably they will drip-feed the policy suggestions out in the next few weeks? Sounds ok to me as a concept, as long as we find out before June.