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It's not about specifically recruiting disillusioned/deluded Vics fans, but it does include them as much as anyone else. Overall it's shifting 'the message' we put out into a more positive spin rather than putting the negatives of NVFC first followed by a 'come and support us instead' message second.
Remember there is still a lot of ignorance in the town as to who is who!! What we need is a bandwagon for people to climb on to, not a tank to climb into and set out to destroy what's left of the 'enemy' in a war that is nothing to do with them. It needs to be fresh, exciting and forward looking with a very short unemotional reference to how we came into being so it makes sense.
There are ongoing initiatives that need to be pursued when manpower and finances permit such as the kids but we need to be aware of a much wider picture than 1874. Local football nationwide is struggling to keep fans and for me a giant alarm bell rang last night when 1874 were top and Witton could go clear at the top of their league if they won games in hand, both at home and a combined attendance of significantly less than 400. That is the world we live in and that is the challenge we face.
 
Pete said:
It's not about specifically recruiting disillusioned/deluded Vics fans, but it does include them as much as anyone else. Overall it's shifting 'the message' we put out into a more positive spin rather than putting the negatives of NVFC first followed by a 'come and support us instead' message second.
Remember there is still a lot of ignorance in the town as to who is who!! What we need is a bandwagon for people to climb on to, not a tank to climb into and set out to destroy what's left of the 'enemy' in a war that is nothing to do with them. It needs to be fresh, exciting and forward looking with a very short unemotional reference to how we came into being so it makes sense.
There are ongoing initiatives that need to be pursued when manpower and finances permit such as the kids but we need to be aware of a much wider picture than 1874. Local football nationwide is struggling to keep fans and for me a giant alarm bell rang last night when 1874 were top and Witton could go clear at the top of their league if they won games in hand, both at home and a combined attendance of significantly less than 400. That is the world we live in and that is the challenge we face.
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Pete,
Pete said:
It's not about specifically recruiting disillusioned/deluded Vics fans, but it does include them as much as anyone else. Overall it's shifting 'the message' we put out into a more positive spin rather than putting the negatives of NVFC first followed by a 'come and support us instead' message second.
Remember there is still a lot of ignorance in the town as to who is who!! What we need is a bandwagon for people to climb on to, not a tank to climb into and set out to destroy what's left of the 'enemy' in a war that is nothing to do with them. It needs to be fresh, exciting and forward looking with a very short unemotional reference to how we came into being so it makes sense.
There are ongoing initiatives that need to be pursued when manpower and finances permit such as the kids but we need to be aware of a much wider picture than 1874. Local football nationwide is struggling to keep fans and for me a giant alarm bell rang last night when 1874 were top and Witton could go clear at the top of their league if they won games in hand, both at home and a combined attendance of significantly less than 400. That is the world we live in and that is the challenge we face.
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Pete, your comments are music to my ears. I have been trying to promote the positive for so long now ( see my post page 1 of this thread ) but the negative keeps coming back.
Would be good to have a chat.
Steve
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The JRFC negative will always be here, long after they are gone, it is after all the sole reason why we are all here.
 
Tony1874 said:
The JRFC negative will always be here, long after they are gone, it is after all the sole reason why we are all here.
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Of course it will and as I said earlier no one can accuse me of being quiet on the issue. I'm probably the only one to have got a letter off one of Connett's 'very good lawyers' (oh happy days!!!!!). My point is that it is time to relegate it to second spot behind the positive side - not to forget it.
Put yourself in the shoes of someone who meets a '74' fan and gets invited to come along. If the opening gambit is what a shower of...........etc those at NVFC are and how we need to totally defeat them does it really sound as good as being told what we do, what we are and what we want to be? Once the bait has been taken and you reel them into the wonderful world of '74' then you tell them the history. In the meantime just a short unemotional sentence that gets our message across, a soundbite if you like. "We were so disillusioned with what had become of our club and how it had grown to represent all that is bad about football that fans came together to start a new club that kept the soul of our club alive"
Something like that. When they go under we need these soundbites ready to give to the media.
 
When this does happen and they are no longer in business also hope people don't think we were set up as a replacement for NVFC
 
matthew james hardy said:
When this does happen and they are no longer in business also hope people don't think we were set up as a replacement for NVFC
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Up to all the members to continue putting the general public straight Matt ;) I think we've certainly had presence at some of the various local fetes etc, something which I'm sure will continue.
 
So what happened at this big meeting then? Heard there were about 20 souls there?
 
Chubbs said:
So what happened at this big meeting then? Heard there were about 20 souls there?
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Ssssshhh....... it's on a need to know basis ;) We have our own club, none of our business :confused: Happy to keep it that way :D I can't invest, I'm out.
 
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So what happened at this big meeting then? Heard there were about 20 souls there?
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I'm sure the minutes of the meeting will be produced shortly for the public and past, present and future fans to view, after all they will soon be a democratic, transparent, financially stable well run fan owned football club.
 
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According to my source, or sauce depending on how good the info is.
Jim/Martin Rushe has agreed to sell the club to the fans, leaving only one 2000 debt, the others will be cleared by Jim/Martin, in full like they have always done cough cough...
So looks like they are gonna be around for abit longer yet, they also want there 20 grand back, that we took from them allegedly, o and Colin's 200, can't forget that
 
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According to my source, or sauce depending on how good the info is.
Jim/Martin Rushe has agreed to sell the club to the fans, leaving only one 2000 debt, the others will be cleared by Jim/Martin, in full like they have always done cough cough...
So looks like they are gonna be around for abit longer yet, they also want there 20 grand back, that we took from them allegedly, o and Colin's 200, can't forget that
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What's the £2000 for ? Is it another debt like the mower that Jim claimed was his? Are the Rushes (including bankrupt Jim) now full of legitimate cash that they can clear all historical debt including the monies conned out of Lostock Club , when Jim took over the Victoria Stadium after Connett left ?
 
It's a mistake on their part. They are confused over the legal standing of the Trust. The Trust was set up as a Co-op and so is a company completely independent of any other company and owned by its members. Thus when members voted 145 -6 (or thereabouts) to use its funds to set up 74 the company had to follow through its members wishes. Whilst the original purpose of the Trust was to support NVFC the decision to move on was something members had every right to do and, I suppose, has every right to do again in the future should they wish. The £20k was approximately the money the Trust had at the time.
Given the clear legal position (the late Derek Nuttall tried it on as well and failed) it strikes me as a clear case of clutching at straws.
Perhaps, I suggest mischievously , we should buy NVFC, merge it with 74 and run it as a fan owned club? After all we have the funds, experience and good reputation to take it on and run it properly?
 
I think that they have had this explained to them numerous times and this is just mischief making.
Let them buy JRFC and good luck with it.
 
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Thankfully we were wise to seek and follow the guidance of Supporters Direct (much maligned by some of the Vics hierarchy at the time Pete?), along with the rules of the co-operative society.
Am I also correct in saying that the Supporters Trust and 1874 Northwich FC are two seperate entities, the former now a defunct body? Following this same line of thinking, once the transfer had taken place, then any claim in respect of the ST (not that there was a valid one in the first place) would also have been no more? Rather like when a football club changes its company name, the debt and responsibility to outstanding creditors would be written off?
Bottom line here is Supporters Direct are happy with how we conduct our businesss, as were the FA and the NWCFL .... and that's all that matters.
 
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