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General Election 2017

Who will you be voting for on June 8th

  • Conservative

    Votes: 15 32.6%

  • Labour

    Votes: 21 45.7%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 3 6.5%

  • UKIP

    Votes: 3 6.5%

  • Green

    Votes: 1 2.2%

  • Other

    Votes: 3 6.5%
  • Total voters
    46
Although of course while Corbyn was talking openly to the IRA successive governments were doing the same but secretively behind closed doors.

It is a bit of a sign of (unnecessary?) panic when they dredge up these old stories to remind people of things already well-known. It is also a classic bit of negative reporting in an attempt to distract from current issues and the concerns being voiced left and right about May's social care policies. But then it is the Telegraph, and they are speaking to the converted anyway.

Perhaps they will follow this up with an in-depth report on Corbyn being arrested for protesting against apartheid and the attempts of the Thatcher government to prop up such regimes. Are the current Conservatives unelectable because of their pro-apartheid, pro-Pinochet stance 30 years ago? No. So let's have a bit of perspective from the print media.
 
Please don't tell me you've just put a link to a Daily Mail article up!

Who's being hysterical now!!?
 
To be pedantic for a moment, "inept" and "incompetent" are the same thing, and could also be applied to various current and recent ministers (Hunt, Johnson, Gove at Education). Incompetence is not the preserve of one political party.

"Dangerous" meanwhile is considerably OTT.

I will not on principle feed the DM's coffers by clicking on that link.
 
The ever-increasing twitchiness in the sphincter department of the Tories has become quite palpable this week.

Perhaps not surprising given how disappointing their manifesto was.

They're now having to revert to the May and Brexit factor again - that's all the armoury they have to win this election. Good, honest policies and politics is not going to do it for them.

Being fair, I have to credit the Tories for twigging this at the outset and basing their campaign so strongly on May; exploiting the perception that she is the best leader to take us out of Europe. Hats off to them. It certainly saved them putting much effort into their manifesto. If it really was well-considered then that's very, very worrying!!
 
Ok Nicki,

John McDonnell isn't an IRA lover and self proclaimed Marxist. I know there's video evidence of it, but it's in the Daily Mail so it must be made up. Infact, The daily mail made it all up. The video evidence was doctored by the daily mail - anyone that buys it is hysterical.
 
Glad to see you are coming to your senses. ;)

But seriously, that's another example of the syllogistic dog/cat/four legs fallacy - nobody said that everything in the DM is made up, but equally any half-intelligent sentient being is right to enquire about the motivation behind the slant that they put on any news item (just as they would be right to question the motivation of anything printed in the Socialist Worker).

And what of the video evidence of T. May campaigning to remain in the EU? Or print evidence (Telegraph, 26 June 2016) of Boris Johnson denying leaving the EU meant leaving the single market? etcetera.
 
Andy said:
the daily mail - anyone that buys it is hysterical.
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I'll go along with that!

But the general election shouldn't really be about the Shadow Chancellor should it? A general election shouldn't be about any one person.

The Daily Mail knows as well as anyone - maybe even you - that the Tories are losing this campaign on real issues and so are having to ensure they win it via other means. Which they will of course. What John McDonnell has said in the past has no bearing at all on how Labour could/would govern this country in the future.

It's very lame, but very predictable, from the Tory press.
 
Nicki said:
What John McDonnell has said in the past has no bearing at all on how Labour could/would govern this country in the future.
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When John McDonnell says "I am a Marxist", it has everything to do with how that man will run the country. Just look at the manifesto!

It's was only 2 or 3 years ago he said this. In the same video he said he "celebrated" the financial collapse. What a sick man.
 
I have looked at the manifesto. It's considerably better than the comic that the Tories produced. Seems like that's the general view of the public too. Still won't be enough for Labour to win the election though.

And I can only imagine that McDonnell's Marxist views will outrage his constituents so much that they won't vote for him Problem solved. Then again...
 
Unfortunately, McDonnell has one of the safest Labour seats there is, he won't be losing it anytime soon.

It was very telling yesterday when Corbyn was on Sophie Ridgeway.

5 times he refused to condem the IRA bombings. At the first chance he got, he condemned the Loyalist bombings, but couldn't bring himself to condemn or even say that letters "IRA".

Then again, he still does hang around with Sinn Feins extreme fringes.

You can't trust this Labour cabinet with National Security.
 
Andy said:
5 times he refused to condem the IRA bombings. At the first chance he got, he condemned the Loyalist bombings, but couldn't bring himself to condemn or even say that letters "IRA".
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Fully expecting criminal charges against the editors of the Sun and Mail for their false headlines today (I'm not really, but there should be as it's highly illegal during an election campaign).

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We can't trust this Labour cabinet with national security because you say we can't? Sealed, that does it for me.

It doesn't matter how safe the seat is! Results of the past are completely irrelevant. If his constituents don't like his views then they have the power to ensure he doesn't get elected. It's just possible that they don't see it as a major issue; they see the Tories and their puppets putting up a smokescreen. Same goes for Corbyn.

Is this what it has come to? Have the Tories really run out of political arguments? Attacking the people behind the politics just isn't a sustainable strategy. Politicians come and go, for many reasons (just ask John Smith's family). It's a very dodgy game that the Tories are playing but it is at least one that gives us light at the end of what will seem like an endless '5 year' tunnel.

Corbyn and McDonnell will be gone (hopefully not in a John Smith way) in 5 years. The Tories are going to have to start doing real policies and real politics then.

(I wonder if the current Tory councillor who was a member of the IRA will still be in office then. It was terribly kind of the Tory party to welcome her back into the fold.)
 
Nicki said:
(I wonder if the current Tory councillor who was a member of the IRA will still be in office then. It was terribly kind of the Tory party to welcome her back into the fold.)
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Labour, Conservatives and Lib Dems generally get away with things their councillors/ other low ranking members do for some reason, such as the Labours growing list of councillors that have been arrested for certain unsavoury pictures on their computers, or giving positive character references in court for despicable people.

The media generally doesn't report on the 3 main parties wackos.

To be fair to UKIP, they're the only party that really does deal with theirs.
 
And as for "Is this what the Tories have come to?" - come on....

How many people are "Silent Tories" because of the stigma from the MSM for voting Tory. So to see Labour voters not like the smearing against Corbyn after they've spent the last 30 years smearing every man and his dog that's ever voted Tory is a bit rich.
 
Mark, are you suggesting The Sun and The Daily Mail have been a teensy bit economical with the truth?

In a very weak moment, I've just been on the Daily Mail website, assuming that the video of the interview would be there. Surely they wouldn't miss this opportunity to show the world evidence of Corbyn very definitely not saying "I condemn all the bombing, by both the loyalists and the IRA'. Strange but I couldn't find it. There was plenty of stuff on the main web-page about Pippa and whatshisface's wedding though. That's nice.

There won't be any criminal damages. Very possibly, there will be apology... in three months time, in size 8 font, on page 27.

I hadn't realised that Wikipedia editors voted to ban the use of the Daily Mail as a source, on the grounds of 'poor fact checking, sensationalism and flat-out fabrication'.
 
Andy said:
And as for "Is this what the Tories have come to?" - come on....

How many people are "Silent Tories" because of the stigma from the MSM for voting Tory. So to see Labour voters not like the smearing against Corbyn after they've spent the last 30 years smearing every man and his dog that's ever voted Tory is a bit rich.
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I don't know, how many people are 'Silent Tories'? I've never heard the term before. A quick Google search didn't bring much up either.

If you let me know what a 'Silent Tory' is - I could maybe have a stab at a guess. It might save time though if you just told us how many there are.
 
Ohhhh, Shy Tories! Got to watch how you say that! I skipped the first result as it didn't actually see the term 'Silent Tory' - which is perhaps a better one.

Voting Tory... there's nothing to be embarrassed about... is there?!?

As for how many Silent Tories there are, I still don't know... but it wouldn't surprise to me to hear that there are quite a few Tory voters who aren't totally comfortable with their choice. That's a feeling generated from within.

It strikes me that any feelings originating from external influence would be more a societal thing - rather than a MSM thing. You start getting reluctant to, e.g., say how you vote, if you believe your peers, friends and family won't approve. It's a little different from splashing blatant lies across your front pages about a party leader.
 
Where on earth in the MSM (apart from the Mirror) are people who vote Conservative stigmatised? Or even criticised, for that matter. The "shy" factor comes from the person's own family, friends and neighbours, as Nicki says. The fact remains that parties should be debating policies and not trying to deflect from policies and cover up a lack of detail by focusing on personalities.

I see we have another May U-turn today, on capping social care costs. Maggie would be turning in her grave the number of times May has backtracked on things since being crowned PM.
(and before anyone says anything, that's a comment on policies not personalities)
 
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