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US election

Should Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton be US president?

  • Clinton

    Votes: 6 33.3%

  • Trump

    Votes: 5 27.8%

  • Neither

    Votes: 7 38.9%
  • Total voters
    18
Tez said:
The topic is in "General Chat" Paul, a section designed to encourage topical discussion beyond the immediate parameters of football. It gives posters an opportunity to argue and philosophically debate the relevant burning issues of the day (if they so wish), including our favourite fluffy bunny pictures and our Friday night plans - in pictorial form :D ....... Ah, those were the days! :cool::)
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Tez I remember those days (just) too! I take my hat off to you mate, rational and perfect sense as usual ;) You're deffo an 1874 fan I'd enjoy a pint with during a derby game in the future sometime (as long as you were buying) :p
 
:D ..... but the pork scratching (oh my arteries!:eek:) would have to be on you ;)
 
I believe thet the worse than ever disillusionment with politicians has played a part in Brexit and the US election and will continue to influence several upcoming elections in Europe.
I was struck yet again by the total dishonesty and patronising attitude to the general electorate when the election result was done and dusted. All saying nice things about each other after non stop abuse and insults, praising policies that a few days earlier had been the worse thing ever introduced etc etc etc. This will go on now for weeks to come. It happened here after Brexit and happens after every election.
A question I would ask is do we blame the politicians for continuing to be dishonest and talk to us as if we were idiots or do we need to look at ourselves and ask do we actually get the politicians we deserve?
 
A telling comment from Trump when asked if he regretted saying some of the more extreme stuff he came out with during the campaign - "No ... I won."
They tell the electorate what they want to hear and know which buttons to press with which people to get the result they want. It has ever been thus. And while the majority are willing to walk into the trap that is laid for them it will not change. All advertising works in this manipulative way, and politicians at election time are in the business of advertising themselves and/or their parties.
 
Andy said:
Here is a video that exposes the media for what they really are. Shameful.

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So in a nutshell, Trump isn't a racist, sexist, homophobe etc... it's just all the fault of the media despite the fact it's in black and white what he said. Media manipulation? Absolutely not.
 
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But the media put out what 'sells'. We are the ones who buy it.
Can you think of any tabloid here that doesn't do it?
 
Personally, I don't believe anything I read in the media; an article is only the opinion of the journalist that wrote it... and they are only interested in making up a story that sells! ....... 'why let the truth get in the way of a good story'
 
I don't have a problem with a newspaper 'having a view' as it would be naive to believe it could be any other way. What I do object to is omitting or twisting certain facts to put over that view.
 
Maybe they can take on the 2000 GM workers being laid off this month in Michigan and Ohio? I don't think the global auto-manufacturing manoeuvres are quite so simple.
 
Of course a certain amount of protectionism isn't necessarily a bad thing as the situation with Ford demonstrates, but then I think too much is. I've always seen America as a strong cheerleader of free trade and the free market, yet Trump's policies appear to go against this. As the article states, Trump wants to slap tariffs of 35% on imports of some products and also wants to tear up a major trade agreement with Mexico and Canada. Then he openly castigates another trading partner in China in a tweet a few days ago.
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It would seem that Trump is more interested in closing borders than trading with other countries. more interested in putting tariffs on imported goods than allowing for unrestricted imports and exports, and more interested in making enemies than friends. In my opinion, this is not good for American business and jobs and nor is it for the American economy or the global economy. Even most Conservative voters in this country find Trump's position on this and a number of other issues intolerable.
 
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So Trump is living up to a lot of his 'promises' he made in the US election and proposing to build that wall along the Mexico/US border, and is introducing a 90-day ban on all nationals from seven Muslim-majority countries.

The man and his bigoted and discriminatory policies are a disgrace and so is Theresa May for failing to condemn them.
 
Well it's certainly not a political system I agree with. Trump's ideas are certainly not realistic, practical or pragmatic. In my opinion, morals and ethics should matter especially when it comes to policies that deliberately seek to discriminate against groups of people on the basis of their nationality and religion. This is what both Trump's wall and Muslim ban policies do.
 
Ben said:
Well it's certainly not a political system I agree with. Trump's ideas are certainly not realistic, practical or pragmatic. In my opinion, morals and ethics should matter especially when it comes to policies that deliberately seek to discriminate against groups of people on the basis of their nationality and religion. This is what both Trump's wall and Muslim ban policies do.
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I agree with that Ben, absolutely disgraceful to target all Muslims with the ISIS brush. I know from personal experience that they're not all the same
 
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I meant TM failing to condemn was Realpolitik - she has to consider the wider national interest, and having rushed over to fawn all over him last week she could scarcely then issue a dressing down. She's probably spitting proverbial feathers over this
 
Alan M said:
I meant TM failing to condemn was Realpolitik - she has to consider the wider national interest, and having rushed over to fawn all over him last week she could scarcely then issue a dressing down. She's probably spitting proverbial feathers over this
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Seemed to me that she was overcooking her attempt to secure a Trade deal with the US. Which in doing so may have scuppered any possible European deals. Proof that the Government are flapping over Brexit?
 
Alan M said:
I meant TM failing to condemn was Realpolitik - she has to consider the wider national interest, and having rushed over to fawn all over him last week she could scarcely then issue a dressing down. She's probably spitting proverbial feathers over this
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Point taken, Alan. I do understand the need for May to strike trade deals, especially in a post-Brexit environment, but is our "special relationship" with America really worth maintaining at the expense of morals and values of decency and tolerance and human rights? In failing to condemn Trump's 90-day Muslim ban, May is almost as bad.
 
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