BREXIT THE MOVIE

[Vicki England]

Vicki my question to you is will you still call Witton the stripeys if you wear green and black stripes as has been suggested? And if so would the EU allow it?

Ooh Paul, that's sent me in a tizzy!! Yeh hadn't thought of that. I'd need to find a new 'term of endearment' and think I need to contact Brussels for guidance. This is BIG!!!

 

[Blackie]

I thought you had already done that with your previous ill informed rant.

I think Alan is doing a fine and eloquent job of stating his views, in a thread he didn't start either.

A rant!. That's not a rant trust me .
Perhaps you and Alan should exchange numbers .

Btw, Paul, my post was a reply to Alan's, as his was with mine.
Just because it's not written as eloquently as Alan's and doesn't include the odd unusual word that many won't understand to show my education level doesn't make it a rant!
The views were personal about the state of the country and how having the foreign cultures (whether EU or not), have made an influence on our culture.
Alan's views were boring to me (most politics are!), he's quite welcome to say mine are boring to him. Unlike you, it doesn't bother me.
It's a subject that will cause tension, opinions and disagreement. I have no personal malice against Alan, we just don't agree often! It annoys me the way he writes as I think he likes to show his education levels and I feel he writes in a way that belittles people. He probably doesn't mean to, it's just the way he is and the way it comes across to me personally.

I thought most of my statement was based on facts?, the EU tell us how many immigrants we must have, we have been told to build them more houses and the flag thing is very real.
If you know that Alan's facts come from sources that are 100% true and no speculation or spin is involved please let me know who they are?

If you don't like my "rants", don't red them!! .

 

[Frank Fallows]

I think that the letter to Alan from UKIP clears the query for me !!.

 

[Phil Bradley]

I'm not biting. Get a grip pal.

So the main thrust of your argument to leave the EU has nothing to do with the EU then, right?

 

[Phil Bradley]

Blackie, I think we agreed with the EU how many refugees from Syria we would take as our contribution to an extreme humanitarian crisis. They didn't tell us.

The flag thing isn't anything to do with the EU. Vote for your local councillors more carefully if you don't like the decisions they make.

 

[paul]

So the main thrust of your argument to leave the EU has nothing to do with the EU then, right?

See my earlier posts on this thread as to why I think we should leave the EU. It might sink in then....

According to opinion polls it is going to be quite a close run thing, so it seems some people share my view. Don't spit your dummy out if I and others don't agree with yours. And don't put words into my mouth either.

 

[paul]

Ooh Paul, that's sent me in a tizzy!! Yeh hadn't thought of that. I'd need to find a new 'term of endearment' and think I need to contact Brussels for guidance. This is BIG!!!

To be honest Vicki, of the personal contribution I make to the £350 million we hand to the EU every week I would rather hear the MEP's stance on football teams wearing stripes on their shirts than how bendy our bananas should be, how powerful our hoovers should be and how old our children should be before they can blow up balloons.

 

[Alan M]

I thought most of my statement was based on facts?, the EU tell us how many immigrants we must have, we have been told to build them more houses and the flag thing is very real.
If you know that Alan's facts come from sources that are 100% true and no speculation or spin is involved please let me know who they are?

I'd be genuinely interested to see the EU source for "you must build more houses for immigrants".

My facts come from
a) on EU member states and Euro membership - from www.gov.uk/eu-eea, available on many other sites too
b) on historical unemployment stats - from http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/unemployment-rate and the Office for National Statistics
c) on UK net contribution to EU - from a variety of sources, a figure also conceded under questioning by 'Leave' spokespeople
d) on the whereabouts of Polish builders in 2012 - from constant reporting at the time but I can't be bothered looking up archive material online; also from conversations with acquaintances in the construction industry (both English and Polish)
e) on the origins of the majority of Muslims in the UK - too many sources to mention, but nobody can suggest that they are EU Muslims anyway. Almost half were born in the UK and three-quarters have British nationality. Here's an infographic drawn from the last UK census: http://www.mcb.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/MCB-Muslims-in-Numbers-infographic-final.jpg

The rest was my opinion of government policies over the past 30-odd years (though I confess my knowledge of the full effects of Thatcher is not too good as I got out of the country soon after she came to power and stayed out until close to her exit). Feel free to challenge opinions. Debate is healthy.

If you don't like my "rants", don't red them!! .

Same here - if you find my posts boring, skip over them!

 

[Blackie]

Blackie, I think we agreed with the EU how many refugees from Syria we would take as our contribution to an extreme humanitarian crisis. They didn't tell us.

The flag thing isn't anything to do with the EU. Vote for your local councillors more carefully if you don't like the decisions they make.

The flag thing was, in fact, an example of how the government are letting our heritage disappear with overseas influences (EU related or not).
I do choose carefully and keep voting for the right ones, but apparently my one vote doesn't determine the final winner!!

Africa do not help themselves!. Many parts of the country need simple things like water yet the governing bodies decided to spend millions on football stadiums for the World Cup while people starve to death. And please don't tell me it generated income because that's a load of bo***cks!
And, for the record I have no problem helping refugees from war torn countries, but the last time I looked Poland, Romania, Bulgaria and all the other EU countries people who come into the country as and when they please are not at war! Refugees and immigrants are totally different.
Perhaps you could come back on he in a few years when the nhs is bursting and one of your close family has a ailment that needs immediate treatment but they cant get an appointment for months! Let's see if you still feel that pity then?

 

[Blackie]

I'd be genuinely interested to see the EU source for "you must build more houses for immigrants".

My facts come from
a) on EU member states and Euro membership - from www.gov.uk/eu-eea, available on many other sites too
b) on historical unemployment stats - from http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/unemployment-rate and the Office for National Statistics
c) on UK net contribution to EU - from a variety of sources, a figure also conceded under questioning by 'Leave' spokespeople
d) on the whereabouts of Polish builders in 2012 - from constant reporting at the time but I can't be bothered looking up archive material online; also from conversations with acquaintances in the construction industry (both English and Polish)
e) on the origins of the majority of Muslims in the UK - too many sources to mention, but nobody can suggest that they are EU Muslims anyway. Almost half were born in the UK and three-quarters have British nationality. Here's an infographic drawn from the last UK census: http://www.mcb.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/MCB-Muslims-in-Numbers-infographic-final.jpg

The rest was my opinion of government policies over the past 30-odd years (though I confess my knowledge of the full effects of Thatcher is not too good as I got out of the country soon after she came to power and stayed out until close to her exit). Feel free to challenge opinions. Debate is healthy.



Same here - if you find my posts boring, skip over them!

I find it funny that your first link is to a government web site, and they never lie of course!! .

 

[Alan M]

Maybe this govt shouldn't have cut all the nursing courses then? Then we wouldn't be forced to look abroad to fill the gaps (incidentally, mostly with nurses from outside the EU)

 

[Alan M]

how bendy our bananas should be

An oft-quoted myth!
See http://www.europarl.org.uk/en/media/euromyths/bendybananas.html

But for those who don't trust such websites, try the Daily Torygraph from 2008:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-and-curved-cucumber-rules-dropped-by-EU.html

Then have a go at this quiz:
http://www.businessinsider.com/eu-directives-law-2011-12?IR=T

 

[Blackie]

Maybe they have to make cuts because we keep giving our money to the EU?

 

[Alan M]

I find it funny that your first link is to a government web site, and they never lie of course!! .

You are not seriously suggesting that the simple list of member-states in the EU and countries which have the Euro as a currency is somehow a lie simply because it is on the govt website!? I've heard of some conspiracy theories, but that's up there with the best of them. Where are Mulder and Scully when you need them?

 

[Alan M]

Maybe they have to make cuts because we keep giving our money to the EU?

Now THAT is an opinion, rather than a fact. I don't mind you stating it as such, but I'd say this govt doesn't need much excuse for cutting public expenditure to bits it doesn't really like.

 

[Blackie]

In my opinion....maybe it's because we keep giving money to the EU? (Better? ).

 

[Alan M]

Here's another opinion (then I'll go away for a bit, promise!) ...
The NHS is creaking at the seams for many reasons other than the pressures of queues of migrants at A&E, including:
1. chronic underfunding for years under successive govts
2. Gordon Brown's PPI policies, which lumbered hospitals with mountains of long term debt
3. Govt meddling (from all sides), meaning with each new govt comes a radical change of direction for the NHS, all of which costs money, rather than letting the NHS be run more independently of politicians
4. Medical advances - meaning more treatments are possible nowadays, and patients expect to be treated if it is possible
5. People living longer - older people naturally have greater medical needs
6. The profession of GP becoming less and less attractive - so fewer doctors become GPs, so surgeries can't cope, so people go to A&E instead.
7. Hospitals etc having to turn to agency staff to fill vacant posts - great for the agencies, who cream off a percentage as profit, costly for the hospitals, less beneficial (in terms of pay and job security) for the staff on the agency books

 

[Blackie]

Alan, everyone is going to vote on what is relevant to them.
I don't travel abroad because I have dogs, therefore, cheaper air fares and the likes you mentioned are totally irrelevant to me.
The strain the extra population will cause on the country, nhs and housing situation will affect myself, and more importantly to me, my children and future grandchildren.
I am interested to see how you think we are going to cope with what is alleged projected increase of over 5m by 2030?

 

[Blackie]

You are not seriously suggesting that the simple list of member-states in the EU and countries which have the Euro as a currency is somehow a lie simply because it is on the govt website!? I've heard of some conspiracy theories, but that's up there with the best of them. Where are Mulder and Scully when you need them?

I said the government never lie as a generalisation not in particular reference to a web site that contains a list, but if you feel the need to mention it as such....be my guest .
I'm sure it raised a laugh from you man Paul! .

 

[paul]

An oft-quoted myth!
See http://www.europarl.org.uk/en/media/euromyths/bendybananas.html

But for those who don't trust such websites, try the Daily Torygraph from 2008:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-and-curved-cucumber-rules-dropped-by-EU.html

Then have a go at this quiz:
http://www.businessinsider.com/eu-directives-law-2011-12?IR=T

Fair enough Alan - if I had the same amount of time or interest in the EU that you do I'm pretty sure I could find plenty of other equally silly rules and regulations forced upon us by the EU if I really wanted too. And if you think paying 350 million quid each week for the privilege of abiding by them is a good investment you must be as bonkers as the people that make them up!! Fair play to you!!