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Marine / Failure to strike UK-Norway fishing deal ‘brings long-awaited end to past practice’, local chief says​


Chris Cope
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LOCAL fisherman are putting a positive spin on the failure of the UK and Norway to reach an agreement on a fishing deal.
They said past agreements were brokered by the European Union and were heavily skewed against the local pelagic and demersal fleets.
Shetland Fishermen's Association executive officer Simon Collins said the white paper's headline points are precisely what we have insisted on from day one.'s Association executive officer Simon Collins said the white paper's headline points are precisely what we have insisted on from day one. Shetland Fishermen’s Association executive officer Simon Collins. Photo: Shetland News

Shetland Fishermen’s Association chief officer Simon Collins said: “This bring a long-awaited end to past practice in which the EU used to hand substantial amounts of Scottish quota to Norway largely to the benefit of a single foreign multinational that claimed to be English.”
The chief executive of UK Fisheries Jane Sandell, however, said it is a “very black day for Britain” and claimed that hundreds of fishermen would be left out of work as a result.
Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer also said that fishing communities have been “betrayed by the prime minister” following Brexit.
The lack of a deal means UK fleets will not have access to Norway’s sub-Arctic seas, and Norwegian vessels won’t be able to fish in UK waters.
But in Shetland, the news that the countries are not continuing past agreements has been welcomed.
Collins said that “in practical terms, Norway’s loss of access to our waters this year will remove a substantial presence of their pelagic fleet during the autumn mackerel fishery in particular”.
SFA chairman and whitefish skipper James Anderson added that the inability of Norwegian vessels to fish for demersal stocks in the UK zone would lift the pressure of a highly active gillnet and longliner fleet to the east of Shetland.
“We are convinced that mutually advantageous annual agreements on access and quota transfers can be struck with Norway in the future,” he said.
“But Norway has to understand that we are not going to cave in, [European] Commission-style, to the detriment of Scottish businesses. It is far better to make that clear at the outset, and we are glad that this has been done.
“We appreciate the efforts of the highly influential Scottish negotiators, who worked closely with industry and listened carefully to our concerns throughout four months of very difficult talks.”
The trade talks come following the UK’s exit from the European Union (EU). Norway is not a member of the EU.
Chief executive of the Scottish Fishermen’s Federation Elspeth Macdonald said: “The failure to reach an agreement on fisheries between the UK and Norway for 2021 is disappointing, especially for our whitefish fleet, as Scottish and UK negotiators worked hard to make a fair and balanced offer to their Norwegian counterparts that would have been to both parties’ advantage for the rest of this year.
“It does however reflect that the UK’s new status as an independent coastal state has fundamentally changed the fisheries landscape in the north-east Atlantic, with both Faroe and Norway deciding not to have agreements with this UK this year, despite now having over-arching fisheries framework agreements with the UK.”
But these were supposed to be the “easiest trade deals in history.”! Jeesh, if these are the easy ones, then poor Liz ‘Cheesy’ Truss is in for some hard times ahead!
 

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But these were supposed to be the “easiest trade deals in history.”! Jeesh, if these are the easy ones, then poor Liz ‘Cheesy’ Truss is in for some hard times ahead!
No it wasn't James - this is a bi-lateral deal between the UK and Norway over fishing rights. not the same as the 70 trade deals that have been concluded
 

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No it wasn't James - this is a bi-lateral deal between the UK and Norway over fishing rights. not the same as the 70 trade deals that have been concluded
Before we left the EU there was no need for annual bi-lateral deals as we were part of the CFP. As soon as we left the EU we weren’t. Result? No rights for our fishermen to fish in Norwegian waters as they had done so previously.

So another Brexit dividend and another sector of those who supported Brexit who have been right royally shafted by the liar and his mates.

The fishing communities I have some sympathy for, but the DUP, Foster and her ilk have got their just desserts. That is what you get if you get into bed with the devil..,,
 

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Before we left the EU there was no need for annual bi-lateral deals as we were part of the CFP. As soon as we left the EU we weren’t. Result? No rights for our fishermen to fish in Norwegian waters as they had done so previously.

So another Brexit dividend and another sector of those who supported Brexit who have been right royally shafted by the liar and his mates.

The fishing communities I have some sympathy for, but the DUP, Foster and her ilk have got their just desserts. That is what you get if you get into bed with the devil..,,
Yes, old Frog Face has been kind of quiet recently. Strange that he’s not been campaigning in the fishing communities that he was so keen to be seen in in the pre Brexit days....
 

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Yes, old Frog Face has been kind of quiet recently. Strange that he’s not been campaigning in the fishing communities that he was so keen to be seen in in the pre Brexit days....
And likewise, Mark ‘Field Marshal’ Francois has been very quiet since his long sabbatical last summer...

#anotheronenrishedunderthecarpet
 

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Before we left the EU there was no need for annual bi-lateral deals as we were part of the CFP. As soon as we left the EU we weren’t. Result? No rights for our fishermen to fish in Norwegian waters as they had done so previously.

So another Brexit dividend and another sector of those who supported Brexit who have been right royally shafted by the liar and his mates.

The fishing communities I have some sympathy for, but the DUP, Foster and her ilk have got their just desserts. That is what you get if you get into bed with the devil..,,
Ah yes the good old CFP where we gave away all our fish to EU boats for the sake of catching some fish in Norwegian waters.. Now there has clearly been as much bleating on the other side of the channel as there has in the UK, so sort of suggests that there will be pain all round before this settles down - together with another almighty bust up in five years time as the UK squeezes EU fishing even more and the EU retaliates with tariffs and reduced market access. Hopefully by then dependency on trade with the EU will have reduced significantly and the impact negligible. It should also be remembered that the Norwegians cannot take the huge amount of fish they have previously harvested from UK waters either, so at some point there will be a move towards a solution. It's called negotiation and our government obviously thought that what was being offered wasn't worth having.
 

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Ah yes the good old CFP where we gave away all our fish to EU boats for the sake of catching some fish in Norwegian waters.. Now there has clearly been as much bleating on the other side of the channel as there has in the UK, so sort of suggests that there will be pain all round before this settles down - together with another almighty bust up in five years time as the UK squeezes EU fishing even more and the EU retaliates with tariffs and reduced market access. Hopefully by then dependency on trade with the EU will have reduced significantly and the impact negligible. It should also be remembered that the Norwegians cannot take the huge amount of fish they have previously harvested from UK waters either, so at some point there will be a move towards a solution. It's called negotiation and our government obviously thought that what was being offered wasn't worth having.
So go tell that to the fishing communities that were lied to by the rabid Brexiteers and now face ruin. I’ve noticed that few major Tories have visited the likes of Brixham as part of the local election campaign. Couldn’t get them away from places (or maybe plaices) in the run up to the referendum and the GE
 

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Wot? This German MEP?


So shock horror, an article from a rabidly right wing, Brexit supporting newspaper runs a story about a rabid right wing German MEP slagging off the EU which contains unsubstantiated claims.

Have to say Knutsfordian that I’m disappointed in you. I thought that you might be better than this...,
 

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Wot? This German MEP?


So shock horror, an article from a rabidly right wing, Brexit supporting newspaper runs a story about a rabid right wing German MEP slagging off the EU which contains unsubstantiated claims.

Have to say Knutsfordian that I’m disappointed in you. I thought that you might be better than this...,
There is some truth in this though James. Had we been in the EU we would have had to sign up to the Covid relief scheme to guarantee EU loans in proportion to our GDP. So about £150 million isn't far off the mark. The other big worry is that this money would be repayable for any country then wishing to leave the EU. It therefore anchors none Euro countries in the EU unless they accept massive debt repayments Once it has gone through, the chances of another country leaving the EU are remote - so we did get out just in time !!
 

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But these were supposed to be the “easiest trade deals in history.”! Jeesh, if these are the easy ones, then poor Liz ‘Cheesy’ Truss is in for some hard times ahead!
I'm confused (not difficult nowadays

Liz ‘ Cheese’ Truss is working towards a possible trade agreement with India worth £1billi.

India is 5.000 miles away.

EU is 22 miles across the channel and our trade with them
was worth £250 billion

Am I missing something? 🤫
 

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I'm confused (not difficult nowadays

Liz ‘ Cheese’ Truss is working towards a possible trade agreement with India worth £1billi.

India is 5.000 miles away.

EU is 22 miles across the channel and our trade with them
was worth £250 billion

Am I missing something? 🤫
Yes in order to do trade with the EU we have to pay them 1% of GDP and sign up to a whole load of political, people, fiscal and legislative programmes that have nothing to do with trade. Funny how those who miss the EU only ever bleat on about the loss of economic ties but somehow seem to forget all the associated garbage that came with it
 

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Yes in order to do trade with the EU we have to pay them 1% of GDP and sign up to a whole load of political, people, fiscal and legislative programmes that have nothing to do with trade. Funny how those who miss the EU only ever bleat on about the loss of economic ties but somehow seem to forget all the associated garbage that came with it
What, garbage like freedom of movement and residence?
 

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What, garbage like freedom of movement and residence?
Yes. Most people don't want mass uncontrolled immigration, which has what has happened. So now you can play the old Brexit/Racist card which just denies that across many communities people felt swamped by the number of people coming from EU countries and the inordinate impact that has had on public services which never kept up with demand. If it had stayed as an economic model we wouldn't have left !
 

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Yes. Most people don't want mass uncontrolled immigration, which has what has happened. So now you can play the old Brexit/Racist card which just denies that across many communities people felt swamped by the number of people coming from EU countries and the inordinate impact that has had on public services which never kept up with demand. If it had stayed as an economic model we wouldn't have left !
‘Swamped?’ It was a good job that our NHS, care services, hospitality sector, construction, and agriculture were ‘swamped’ by these spongers from outside the U.K.

Imagine where we would have been without them...
 

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‘Swamped?’ It was a good job that our NHS, care services, hospitality sector, construction, and agriculture were ‘swamped’ by these spongers from outside the U.K.

Imagine where we would have been without them...
I accept that many people coming here from the EU have played a full part in the UK economy. The point I was making is that there are many communities who have felt the impact of migration and this helped shape voting intentions in the Brexit referendum.
 

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I’ve stayed away from this thread since the threat of Corbyn’s socialism died a very sudden death. What have I missed? 😆

Will the Hartlepool result finally wake Labour up and make it clear who, and what they stand for? Is it the metropolitan graduate and their youthful drive for ‘social justice’, or is the the traditional working class core vote and their inconvenient tendency to be patriotic? The party must decide - and which ever it is, the other group need their own political movement separate to the Labour Party, otherwise this internal ideological war will go on and on forever.