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The problem is lockdowns are terrible for mental health & lockdowns are needed to prevent Covid spread.
It's lose-lose no matter which way you go about it.
Ah. If only they could have done so re Brexit! ?No doubt a lose-lose.
Just wish the government and media would consider the option that would result in the smallest loss. Literally.
Andy - my point was about the generality and not yourself. You know my view re this and I know yours. Yet people still choose to ignore the advice (including many people I know)Why don’t you counter the point that people actually make which is the consequences in the long run far outweigh the benefit of these restrictions?
Instead of just pretending that the people raising those concerns are “simple”?
And Piers Morgan is on again this morning leading the charge against the government and berating all those who fall foul of the rules - but guess who was in a tier 3 lockdown and travel ban , but still went to Antigua for his Christmas hols !! Talk about double standards doesn't come close. The bloody hypocrite !!!!!!Just seen GMB Piers Morgan present a guy called Dave Carr as a an ICU nurse and give him a free hand to slag off the government over handling of the pandemic, without any mention of the fact that he the chairman of the local Unison branch. He has a rightful point of view, but to present him as a nurse without any agenda is completely disingenuous. Typical Piers Morgan back on the telly sh1t stirring to the maximum as usual. When are they going to deliver balanced programming ??????
And then you need ask why there is distrust between public service workers and the government??
Totally outrageous
Yep agreed regarding vaccination of under 11's but they could do teachers etc and my main point was really aimed at secondary schools and universities so would have been better using the term "students"The vaccines are not licensed for children ... to answer a point made by Knutsfordian. Nor have the pharma companies done any testing on children to ascertain safe levels of doses etc.
(Mind you, since the govt seem happy to ignore the manufacturers' advice on two-dose vaccine intervals .....)
I agree with a lot of what you say. The disproportionate hysteria whipped up by the media has created a hostile environment. The government have been forced to make decisions only taking the next 6 months in to account.
The question is, why are the media seemingly unconcerned about possible 500k plus lives that will be lost over the next few years as a result of these excessive restrictions? Or are they just lining themselves up for another media storm?
500k lives will be lost, and a generation of millions of children will be extremely disadvantaged for life. Is it a price worth paying?
I think many would agree with you Andy, but it would be a very very brave government to go against the media at this time (and I can't believe no one is taking Morgan to task for his sheer hypocrisy
Andy - my point was about the generality and not yourself. You know my view re this and I know yours. Yet people still choose to ignore the advice (including many people I know)
Go against the media regarding Brexit?! You surely have got to be kidding here.....Would be brave for a government to go against the media, but that’s what this government did regarding Brexit.
Public trust in the media is low. The media might not like a decision like that, but that wouldn’t necessarily mean that the public would take any notice of the media.
Trust in UK news organisations tumbles during COVID-19 outbreak - Reuters Institute
Less than half of Britain's people trust in news organisations as a source for COVID-19 information, the Reuters Institute for the Study of Journalism said.www.reuters.com
And that had been my argument all along Alan. If we don’t deal with Covid then it will completely overwhelm the health service and then any elective surgery / other treatment will get pushed back even further into the long grass.The "sleepwalking into a crisis" element of all this is at least in part down to chronic underfunding of health services over the past 10 years. But it is otherwise not due to govt or NHS policy. I don't believe anyone in govt or NHS actively wants to make the situation worse. It can however be exacerbated by poor decision-making (by govt but also by many members of the public who still seem to have the attitude that 'it won't affect me so I don't need to take all these precautions')
There is no easy way out of a situation where thousands of covid patients are admitted to hospitals every day, thus occupying beds, equipment & staff all of which cannot be deployed in two places at once. Of course people with more chronic long-term conditions and those awaiting elective surgery then suffer, but what do you suggest? Telling acute covid patients "sorry, you can't come to hospital because we've got some treatment planned for other patients"? Other parts of hospitals are currently being rapidly repurposed to cope with the surge (even in relatively under-affected Dorset) - that in itself takes up staff, as does the training required for someone normally working in oncology who is asked to fill in as an ICU nurse.
Probably because that although all the testing appears to support the view that vaccination will provide long(ish) term immunity, all scientists worth their salt will never give a 100% answer re the efficacy of a new drug until it has been in general use for some timeOne thing which has caught my eye is Chris Whitty’s comments yesterday that restrictions may have to return next winter once we’re out of this lockdown.
I don’t understand why this would be necessary if the vaccines are rolled out fully and are effective.
Amazing scenes in the HoP today where the inept Williamson said that this year they would be ‘trusting the teachers’ re marking of GCSEs and A Levels. So what was wrong with doing this last year rather than relying on a friggin algorithm?And that had been my argument all along Alan. If we don’t deal with Covid then it will completely overwhelm the health service and then any elective surgery / other treatment will get pushed back even further into the long grass.
And the best way to help reduce the number of cases so not to swamp our hospitals? It is simple. Limit human interaction. So follow the effin rules and stay at home as much as you possibly can.
One thing which has caught my eye is Chris Whitty’s comments yesterday that restrictions may have to return next winter once we’re out of this lockdown.
I don’t understand why this would be necessary if the vaccines are rolled out fully and are effective.
The "sleepwalking into a crisis" element of all this is at least in part down to chronic underfunding of health services over the past 10 years. But it is otherwise not due to govt or NHS policy. I don't believe anyone in govt or NHS actively wants to make the situation worse. It can however be exacerbated by poor decision-making (by govt but also by many members of the public who still seem to have the attitude that 'it won't affect me so I don't need to take all these precautions')
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