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Cummings, Johnson and this whole shit show

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If you listened to Patrick Valance and JVT tonight, what you get is straight forward answer to questions without political spin. What is also apparent is that most of the commentators don't like those answers as what they want is a continuation of the doom and gloom. They are looking at every tick and turn to find fault and twist the story to fit their agenda. None worse than Beth Rigby on Sky News.

The key message for me, was something covered in earlier posts on this thread - if not now then when? People need to take more personal responsibility and accept if they go to crowded places then there is a risk they have to manage, if necessary by walking away. If you get covid it's not the government's fault it can be avoided by standing in a meadow all on your own ad infinitum, as JVT said. But none of us want that. So suggest the bleating stops and people do what they should have done since the outset and manage their own risks !
The problem with you Knutsfordian is that you are under the massive misapprehension that the trusted good old ‘common sense’ of the Ingerlish people espoused by Johnson and the right wing media is true! It is largely a myth!

You need just witness the anti-vaccine protests in London today, the Wembley riots, the thousands who flocked to beaches and other ‘beauty spots’ over the weekend (although I find it difficult to criticise a family living in a high rise flat with kids for not wanting to get out for a day or two to enjoy this wonderful weather), those - as you point out - want to fly away on holiday…..
 
Well, we’ll, well.

What a week it has been for this shambolic government.

When what we need at probably the biggest crisis this country has had in 80 years is a strong leadership team with talent, vision, resolve and determination, what have we got?

A lazy, egotistical, arrogant PM who has employed a even more arrogant, egotistical, sociopathic right wing idealogue as his principal advisor along with someone with such gravitas that he dressed up as a chicken during the 2010 election.

Now both of these have f****d off leaving the country in the mire just weeks before the next shit-show that they were architects of will hit us - a no deal Brexit.

Looking forward to how the Tory voting, Brexit supporting, Unicorn believers will try to explain this one away.....

#wetriedtowarnyou
#butyoujustwouldntlisten
Ok, we all know that Cummings has got an agenda which is most fuelled by revenge, but it would be incredulous to suggest that a great deal of what he says is not true or has some element of truth.

Johnson has a lot more difficult questions to answer over the next few days and weeks……

So expect more bluster, bollocks and lies ?
 
How can foreign travel be the problem when much of it had effectively been prohibited for the past 18 months?

I think that you need to look much closer to home. We are now on the verge of a third wave and they all have one thing in common. Johnson’s dithering and shambolic ‘management’ of the crisis from day one.
Why do you think the major variants are now the Indian and South African variants both here and across Europe? People are still travelling and then not quarantining on their return ! If we let them out we have to let them back in again !!

It's a really difficult balance, but foreign travel really is a curse. The airlines and travel companies want everything kept open and the scientists want borders closed. Not long ago folks were screaming that Boris added India to the red list too late - but when you have thousands of nationals abroad you have to let them back.

The answer lies within convincing people to take more responsibility for themselves. People give each other the virus, not the government. It is impossible for the government to legislate for every eventuality which is what people are now expecting !!
 
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The problem with you Knutsfordian is that you are under the massive misapprehension that the trusted good old ‘common sense’ of the Ingerlish people espoused by Johnson and the right wing media is true! It is largely a myth!

You need just witness the anti-vaccine protests in London today, the Wembley riots, the thousands who flocked to beaches and other ‘beauty spots’ over the weekend (although I find it difficult to criticise a family living in a high rise flat with kids for not wanting to get out for a day or two to enjoy this wonderful weather), those - as you point out - want to fly away on holiday…..
Then people will get what they deserve !
 
If we don’t challenge politicians we end up going down a very slippery and potentially dangerous slope.

You might call me melodramatic, but we need to learn a lesson from the 1920s and 30s if we are to avoid with ever more populistic, far right governments that erode the freedom of the press, judiciary, free speech, workers rights et al
Your missing the bit about the failure of left wing socialist and communist parties
 
If we don’t challenge politicians we end up going down a very slippery and potentially dangerous slope.

You might call me melodramatic, but we need to learn a lesson from the 1920s and 30s if we are to avoid with ever more populistic, far right governments that erode the freedom of the press, judiciary, free speech, workers rights et al

The people on the best position to challenge to government are Labour, the official opposition. But those spineless jellyfish can’t even be bothered.
 
What lovely people we have running this country…..
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So, the government doesn’t think that it “would not be in the public interest” to publish this report.

More like that it would not be in the best interests of these bunch of heartless bastards for whom £20 would be loose change…


A few years ago I recall that when it came to immigrants right to stay in the U.K., the Tories used the phrase “If you’ve nothing to hide then you have nothing to fear”.

I can only suspect that, in this instance, they have something in this report that is embarrassing to them ?
 
The people on the best position to challenge to government are Labour, the official opposition. But those spineless jellyfish can’t even be bothered.
Then you’ve obviously not been watching the news recently, or tracking what is going on in Parliament.

And as for spineless jellyfish, what about those very brave Tory MPs who were very annoyed about the proposed cuts in Foreign Aid but when push came to shove voted with government? Nice to know that their principles only stretch so far…..?
 
So, the government doesn’t think that it “would not be in the public interest” to publish this report.

More like that it would not be in the best interests of these bunch of heartless bastards for whom £20 would be loose change…


A few years ago I recall that when it came to immigrants right to stay in the U.K., the Tories used the phrase “If you’ve nothing to hide then you have nothing to fear”.

I can only suspect that, in this instance, they have something in this report that is embarrassing to them ?
Sop the government gives people on UC an extra £20 to help them through the pandemic and then there's an absolute furore when the uplift is removed and the normal benefit levels are restored. It just goes to show that providing any temporary relief is untenable, so in the future avoid this mess by not giving any help?
 
Your missing the bit about the failure of left wing socialist and communist parties
Knutsfordian, you are under the huge misapprehension that I would be sympathetic to a communist government or one that had such aims.

And as for the ‘failures’ of socialist governments. Well we are 76 years on from the Labour landslide of 1945, but the foundation stones that were laid by that radical government are still with us today and we’re further strengthened by successive Labour (and indeed in some cases Tory) governments.

The battle now is to protect these institutions from the wrecking ball that is the Tory party.

We’ve seen the huge impacts that the massive cuts in local authority spending has had on key services and our local environment. The NHS is next in the sights of these right-wing, free-market ideologues…?
 
Sop the government gives people on UC an extra £20 to help them through the pandemic and then there's an absolute furore when the uplift is removed and the normal benefit levels are restored. It just goes to show that providing any temporary relief is untenable, so in the future avoid this mess by not giving any help?
Ah, you really are all heart Knutsfordian. Lets just them go hungry eh?

We could always consider bringing back the workhouse couldn’t we? I’m sure that would be a nailed on vote-winner with the Pearl and Twin-set brigade in the Tory shires (along with bringing back National Service & the caning of school children).
 
Ah, you really are all heart Knutsfordian. Lets just them go hungry eh?

We could always consider bringing back the workhouse couldn’t we? I’m sure that would be a nailed on vote-winner with the Pearl and Twin-set brigade in the Tory shires (along with bringing back National Service & the caning of school children).
We spend billions of £s on welfare, including (it would seem) paying people to sit at home on quarantine far more than we pay people in statutory sick pay ! The whole welfare system is a mess when, as you can't wait to point out, there is a shortage of labour across a number of industries and we are paying (vaccinated) people to be at home

(and yes I appreciate some working peeps get universal credit too)
 
Then you’ve obviously not been watching the news recently, or tracking what is going on in Parliament.

They’ve voted with the government on pretty much everything related to this pandemic, only taking time to disagree when they call for even harsher measures.

Keir starmer said the 19th should not go ahead, despite him going to two major sporting events at Wembley in the space of 6 days.

“Do as I say, not as I do” comes to mind….

Only a handful of Tory and Labour backbenchers and the few Lib Dem MPs there are can hold their hands up and say they held the government to account during this pandemic.
 
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Do people deserve this? More reality about the deregulated, self-assurance system this government espouses.

Grenfell anyone???
 

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I think that his most telling comment was when asked if he thought Mr Johnson was the best person to lead the country through Covid, he replied: "No."

But some still support this lazy, egotistical liar.....
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Alistair Campbell is spot on about this nasty, vindictive government

Trouble is James that Alistair Campbell is so badly tarnished by the 2nd referendum campaign and his pro EU rhetoric, anything else he says will be consigned to the bin by many without a second thought - and quite rightly too in my view.

The tactic employed by Campbell and his cohorts to get the referendum result overturned and continually running back to the EU to advise them how to work against the UK government is largely responsible for the mess that is the withdrawal agreement. The MPs that were part of the Parliamentary shambles that existed after the referendum have a lot to answer for. I can never remember another incidence where a UK government in negotiation with foreign powers was so incredibly undermined by activities within our own Parliament.

Add to that his continued defence of a Labour administration that completely screwed up towards the end of its time by trying to rewrite the events of the financial crash and his standing shows no sign of returning to the point it was at the height of his powers.

As for foreign aid - I am not sure if all this supposed good will towards the UK for our largesse in throwing £billions around in overseas aid ever really materialised. It is likely that the people who got the aid were pleased to get it - but did they ever know it came from UK tax payers given we didn't stamp courtesy of the UK on their foreheads or make them read a plaque as per the EU? Seemingly for as long as I can remember the UK has been treated with nothing but contempt, unless of course our media failed to report the unerring gratitude of the recipients - which I doubt.

And a vindictive government? With national debt now 100% of GDP or as close to it as one can get, there will be no room in the immediate future to throw vast sums of money at public spending. There are incredibly tough times coming. If you ever watch the Kaiser report on RT, he has been warning for quite some time that the USA is about to experience a bout of high inflation, with corresponding increases in interest rates. The Fed are keeping a lid on this just now, but there are a number of indices that show that inflation is increasing. Now in the UK the Bank of England has started to warn of higher inflation too. If rates go up then debt repayment will start to swallow up a much greater sum than the £9billion p.a. than it does at the moment and the screws will really start to bite . That's going to be true no matter which party is in power. It also severely limits the additional quantitative easing that can be applied without exacerbating the position with regard to inflation.

So post pandemic there needs to be some realistic (cross party) acceptance of the dire position we will be in and what is really possible going forwards.
 
Trouble is James that Alistair Campbell is so badly tarnished by the 2nd referendum campaign and his pro EU rhetoric, anything else he says will be consigned to the bin by many without a second thought - and quite rightly too in my view.

The tactic employed by Campbell and his cohorts to get the referendum result overturned and continually running back to the EU to advise them how to work against the UK government is largely responsible for the mess that is the withdrawal agreement. The MPs that were part of the Parliamentary shambles that existed after the referendum have a lot to answer for. I can never remember another incidence where a UK government in negotiation with foreign powers was so incredibly undermined by activities within our own Parliament.

Add to that his continued defence of a Labour administration that completely screwed up towards the end of its time by trying to rewrite the events of the financial crash and his standing shows no sign of returning to the point it was at the height of his powers.

As for foreign aid - I am not sure if all this supposed good will towards the UK for our largesse in throwing £billions around in overseas aid ever really materialised. It is likely that the people who got the aid were pleased to get it - but did they ever know it came from UK tax payers given we didn't stamp courtesy of the UK on their foreheads or make them read a plaque as per the EU? Seemingly for as long as I can remember the UK has been treated with nothing but contempt, unless of course our media failed to report the unerring gratitude of the recipients - which I doubt.

And a vindictive government? With national debt now 100% of GDP or as close to it as one can get, there will be no room in the immediate future to throw vast sums of money at public spending. There are incredibly tough times coming. If you ever watch the Kaiser report on RT, he has been warning for quite some time that the USA is about to experience a bout of high inflation, with corresponding increases in interest rates. The Fed are keeping a lid on this just now, but there are a number of indices that show that inflation is increasing. Now in the UK the Bank of England has started to warn of higher inflation too. If rates go up then debt repayment will start to swallow up a much greater sum than the £9billion p.a. than it does at the moment and the screws will really start to bite . That's going to be true no matter which party is in power. It also severely limits the additional quantitative easing that can be applied without exacerbating the position with regard to inflation.

So post pandemic there needs to be some realistic (cross party) acceptance of the dire position we will be in and what is really possible going forwards.
And who put us in this 'dire position'? The Tory government. No blame elsewhere they have completely screwed up.

Shows you for what you are if you think the only justification for foreign aid is to get plaudits for it. No empathy with the most needy on the planet, you've previously pointed out "charity begins at home" showing your selective view on who deserves it.
 
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