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James Wood said:
And that is exactly why I started the post. Witton are the only club with a ground and are the senior club in the town but are struggling to get over 300 fans regularly and clearly cant raise the capital needed for the 4G pitch (which would enable them to generate additional income, if well managed (it wouldn’t be a panacea). At the moment they are largely reliant on their tenants to keep them afloat, but Vics themselves can’t move away from WP as the only real alternative - Winsford - would probably result in them losing even more fans which would make their finances tighter (not that I’ve a clear idea of the state of their current finances as their latest accounts have not yet been published, but the last (and first) set weren’t that healthy)

Meanwhile, whilst we at 74 are financially sound at present (and the way the club is run, will probably remain so), if we are to progress further up the pyramid then significant upgrades will be needed to Townfield. Although grants may cover some of these, there is also the added complication that we are Barnton’s tenants and that the Parish Council - who own the site - may well block or object to any further developments.

So as you say Charliebel, not a rosy picture for any of he three. So my question is, for the longer term good of football in the town, is now the time to consider joining forces?
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We are talking heresy now james - take that man out and burn him at the stake - but yes it needs to be at least thought about
 
How about this as an idea.

We hold an Oxford union style debating forum where there is a motion for debate i,e, " that the management committees of all the senior football teams in Mid Cheshire are asked to consider forming a single team with the aim of competing at the highest level"

There would be speakers for and against giving a proper speech. Not just " ive supported Witton for 50 years and I say no"/ Proper reasoned arguments !

what do you think?
 
Aside of all other argument for or against, the immediate stumbling block would be agreeing a name, which would likely render it a non-starter ??‍♂️
 
Tez said:
Aside of all other argument for or against, the immediate stumbling block would be agreeing a name, which would likely render it a non-starter ??‍♂️
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I actually think that this would the easiest obstacle to overcome.

Northwich Albion Victoria United!

C’mon the NAVU! ?
 
Toddy said:
Two points.
1. 1874 are a fan run club,we were formed to get away from one man band's and all that comes with that,so Mac is not comparable.
2.To my knowledge none of the three clubs have made a great effort to engage with the new input into the area.
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And as I’ve said Toddy, I would never support us going back to where we came from. Never forget that I was banned from watching the club I loved at the time by one man, so why on earth would I ever support going back to a similar regime?
 
Knutsfordian said:
How about this as an idea.

We hold an Oxford union style debating forum where there is a motion for debate i,e, " that the management committees of all the senior football teams in Mid Cheshire are asked to consider forming a single team with the aim of competing at the highest level"

There would be speakers for and against giving a proper speech. Not just " ive supported Witton for 50 years and I say no"/ Proper reasoned arguments !

what do you think?
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Knutsfordian, for the second time in a week I find myself agreeing with you.

Can you please stop being sensible and reasonable?

If you continue in this vein then I may well be left with little alternative but to return to the subject of Brexshit and how well that is panning out ???

But I would support such an event wholeheartedly.

Maybe we could ask Andy Simpson to chair the meeting as he is one independent person who is massively respected by everyone in the town.
 
James Wood said:
I actually think that this would the easiest obstacle to overcome.

Northwich Albion Victoria United!

C’mon the NAVU! ?
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Hi James - you could call the team 3761 (1887 + 1874) - it adds up to me.
You wouldn't want it 1887 - 1874 = 13 - that'd be unlucky.

You'd need a referee to choose, methinks.

As a sensible (!) suggestion it could be called Salttown FC.

GE
 
Sorry GE your math's are wrong Witton were form in 1890.
 
interesting debate , still think the bulk of all 3 clubs fanbases wouldn’t entertain the idea atm. Too much emotion involved to realise that society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in ?
 
I am also reminded of the saying "We either hang together or hang separately"

All our fanbases are of the mature variety and we cannot compete for younger fans with the attraction of the showbusiness glamour and celebrity lifestyle of the Premiership and its availability on the TV, internet, and other forms of 21st Century communications.

All our strength is the fact that we represent their local town and community, a community that is growing fast as Northwich expands and develops with new people and their families moving into the area and who don't have the traditional tribal loyalties to Witton, NVFC, or indeed 1874 of more established local families.

I, as a member of 1874 Northwich would consider the proposal but as with everything "the devil is in the detail"
 
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Good for you GE,thats how it should be,but it's still 1890,as Mr Lowe pointed out in his book.I did offer to lend Witton a ladder to put the correct date on the stand.
 
James Wood said:
Knutsfordian, for the second time in a week I find myself agreeing with you.

Can you please stop being sensible and reasonable?

If you continue in this vein then I may well be left with little alternative but to return to the subject of Brexshit and how well that is panning out ???

But I would support such an event wholeheartedly.

Maybe we could ask Andy Simpson to chair the meeting as he is one independent person who is massively respected by everyone in the town.
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May be worth canvassing a few other people before attempting to hold a meeting. It needs to be made clear that any forum would be a debate, not a shouting match and ultimately the power to act (or not) still rests with the stakeholders of each club. It would be interesting to know though whether there can be reasoned debate and if people can leave emotion outside of the room
 
Knutsfordian said:
May be worth canvassing a few other people before attempting to hold a meeting. It needs to be made clear that any forum would be a debate, not a shouting match and ultimately the power to act (or not) still rests with the stakeholders of each club. It would be interesting to know though whether there can be reasoned debate and if people can leave emotion outside of the room
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Many areas for discussion here. One issue might be the process by which Witton shareholders and Brian Turner at Vics, would be compensated for the money they have staked in their respective clubs? I can’t imagine either of the two parties would or even should write it off.
 
Tez said:
Many areas for discussion here. One issue might be the process by which Witton shareholders and Brian Turner at Vics, would be compensated for the money they have staked in their respective clubs? I can’t imagine either of the two parties would or even should write it off.
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There will be lots of these sorts of issues -along with who pays outstanding debts !

In any event there has to be discussion to see if there is enough support and then to go through a process to keep everyone on side. This first meeting really would be just dipping a toe in the water, so to speak
 
virgil caine said:
why has no mention of any of this been posted on the Wittons Fans Forum ?
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well as yet there is nothing to post. This is purely a discussion thread started by James. If its agreed that there is sufficient interest for a debate and how it will take place, then I will post on the Witton forum no problem, but until then there seems little point really. Hence my suggestion that it may be worth canvassing a few other people before going any further.
 
it would be interesting to read the comments if the suggestion was made.might be worth a mention. and then stand well back
 
virgil caine said:
it would be interesting to read the comments if the suggestion was made.might be worth a mention. and then stand well back
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That's why its important that this is framed correctly. There's absolutely no point in having a shouting match where everyone just piles in and tempers flare. If that's where are at then I would suggest we just keep it as a discussion thread. But if we can have a sensible discussion about what is doable and what people would at least consider, that's worth getting round a table and understanding. When the crunch comes each club will have to decide what they want to do, no single group can make any club become something else. There has to be a compelling reason to do something differently and that's why it needs proper thought and debate.
 
Knutsfordian said:
That's why its important that this is framed correctly. There's absolutely no point in having a shouting match where everyone just piles in and tempers flare. If that's where are at then I would suggest we just keep it as a discussion thread. But if we can have a sensible discussion about what is doable and what people would at least consider, that's worth getting round a table and understanding. When the crunch comes each club will have to decide what they want to do, no single group can make any club become something else. There has to be a compelling reason to do something differently and that's why it needs proper thought and debate.
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Again you talk a great deal of sense Knutsfordian. But you support the bloody Tories! Some contradictions there!?
 
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