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Cummings, Johnson and this whole shit show

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Nope. That’s not why I voted Brexit, that’s your assumption. And you know what they say about assumptions....
But that's what was promised and you voted for it.

So it's not the economy according to Knutsfordian, it's not the money for the NHS according to you. It's clearly just anti EU conspiracy and xenophobia then?
 
It's clearly just anti EU conspiracy and xenophobia then?

There he goes again. Another baseless assumption. Alas, you’re wrong again.

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By your logic, Mr Barnier is Xenophobe in chief

 
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Oh and if you really want to watch a murder taking place in the HOC, watch Penny Mordaunt taking down and demolishing Angela Rayner . Yet another example of a pitiful Labour Front bench performance
Hancock. Where we needed Education we got Williamson. Where we needed Trade we got Truss. Where we needed Housing we got Jenrick. Where we needed Accountability we got Patel. Where we needed a real leader we got Johnson. I have no idea why we needed Gove.
 
One could argue that the increase in funding given to the NHS is far greater than the £350m per week. Whether its a direct consequence of leaving the EU is another matter.

Politicians (of all parties) on the campaign trail have asserted how they would do things differently if elected to office, with such assertions not materialising when the election is over.

People are not gulled by this campaigning, they know what is happening and why.

Get over it James. You lost and will do gain unless Labour finds a better message
What? Like bringing the railways back under state control?

Nice to see the Tories adopting some of the looney left policies that were part of the last two Labour Party manifestos ??
 
Hancock. Where we needed Education we got Williamson. Where we needed Trade we got Truss. Where we needed Housing we got Jenrick. Where we needed Accountability we got Patel. Where we needed a real leader we got Johnson. I have no idea why we needed Gove.

By highlighting their lack of ability, it really shows how bad Labours front bench is... That’s the overriding issue here.

Strong opposition makes a strong government, a pathetic opposition makes for a sloppy government.
 
The NHS is an inefficient beast. Ploughing in more and more money isn’t a long term answer. All the political parties need to park their games, and carry out a proper cross party reform before it’s too late.
Absolutely true. I think its about a third of all the expenditure on the NHS is used to pay litigation costs and damages. I am not sure if that can be eliminated, but making a decent hole in that would immediately make vastly more funds available
 
An ultimately better care for everyone...
 
What? Like bringing the railways back under state control?

Nice to see the Tories adopting some of the looney left policies that were part of the last two Labour Party manifestos ??
Trouble is James, Labour wanted to recreate the old British Rail with a leading role for trade unions. Under this model there is likely to be huge contention as terms and conditions for railway workers are dragged into the 21st century and a real focus placed on customer service.
 

You don't get much for £37bn these days.
Another piece of flaky reporting from the ever undependable BBC, unspecified report and no names pack drill on a day when they should be hanging their heads in shame alongside all those execs who have supported the disgraceful Martin Bashir (who should be thrown in jail today)
 
Hancock. Where we needed Education we got Williamson. Where we needed Trade we got Truss. Where we needed Housing we got Jenrick. Where we needed Accountability we got Patel. Where we needed a real leader we got Johnson. I have no idea why we needed Gove.
Labour couldn't even match those that you seek to denigrate - and that's what's so laughable. Apart from Yvette Cooper, who probably should be leader, Labour are in deep deep doodahs
 
Labour couldn't even match those that you seek to denigrate - and that's what's so laughable. Apart from Yvette Cooper, who probably should be leader, Labour are in deep deep doodahs

All isn’t completely lost for for Labour. It depends what Starmer does. He has a chance to be a Kinnock, sacrificing himself to drive out the militant left and pave the way for a John Smith type leader.

The issues with that are A) is he brave enough to take on the militant left and B) is there a John Smith type person in Labour at the moment?
 
Another piece of flaky reporting from the ever undependable BBC, unspecified report and no names pack drill on a day when they should be hanging their heads in shame alongside all those execs who have supported the disgraceful Martin Bashir (who should be thrown in jail today)
Would it help if the ever reliable Daily Mail also reported on it


And the Torygraph are hpapy to repeat it as well at 1.26pm
 
Would it help if the ever reliable Daily Mail also reported on it


And the Torygraph are hpapy to repeat it as well at 1.26pm
It's only regurgitating the BBC report.

In any event, even assuming it is true, an IT system glitch is hardly headline news and I am sure the service managers will ensure the problem is resolved and the world moves on. Who would you want to see publically flogged for that one?
 
Assuming it's related to a change in the code then the post implementation testing team should be flogged.
Or the server monitoring team.
Dido maybe?


But as it's only £37bn we shouldn't really expect the world class test, track & trace system to work & reduce the spread of the Indian variant I suppose.
 
All isn’t completely lost for for Labour. It depends what Starmer does. He has a chance to be a Kinnock, sacrificing himself to drive out the militant left and pave the way for a John Smith type leader.

The issues with that are A) is he brave enough to take on the militant left and B) is there a John Smith type person in Labour at the moment?
Probably no on both counts. Keep saying Labour need to recruit outside the current pool of candidates. The other problem is that since Labour got rid of the "militant tendency", Derek Hatton et al, the left have re-emerged and got a real grip of Labour at membership, conference, organisation and General Executive levels. I don't think any one leader will be able to turn it round. Labour's biggest donors amongst the unions also seem to be supporting hard left candidates so not sure how Starmer is going to win this one. A good number of top Labour people have emerged over time out of Scotland, but that stream seems to have run dry at the moment with the likely candidates joining the SNP instead.

Labour needs to re-engage with Scottish voters and impress on them how much their support is needed to bring about a Labour government in Westminster, which would be far more beneficial to Scotland than an SNP government within the EU
 
Assuming it's related to a change in the code then the post implementation testing team should be flogged.
Or the server monitoring team.
Dido maybe?


But as it's only £37bn we shouldn't really expect the world class test, track & trace system to work & reduce the spread of the Indian variant I suppose.
Yep if it is related to a change then it exposes operational failures within testing and change processes, but hardly a major political issue

When all the chips are counted I suspect that the IT systems supporting this cost a small fraction of the money set aside

And the testing systems are world class
 
Another piece of flaky reporting from the ever undependable BBC, unspecified report and no names pack drill on a day when they should be hanging their heads in shame alongside all those execs who have supported the disgraceful Martin Bashir (who should be thrown in jail today)
Ah, so you want to throw a man into jail who has acted dishonestly but not illegally. On this basis - and similarly to your mate Knutsfordian - then I assume that you would support the likes of Jenrick, Johnson, Halfcock and Patel being chucked into the slammer?
 
Yep if it is related to a change then it exposes operational failures within testing and change processes, but hardly a major political issue

When all the chips are counted I suspect that the IT systems supporting this cost a small fraction of the money set aside

And the testing systems are world class
Hardly a major political issue? FFS. It was supposed to be “World Beating” and it has already cost over £20Bn! And it still doesn’t effin work effectively. If this isn’t a major political issue, might I ask you what is?
 
Hardly a major political issue? FFS. It was supposed to be “World Beating” and it has already cost over £20Bn! And it still doesn’t effin work effectively. If this isn’t a major political issue, might I ask you what is?
Labour's lack of being a credible opposition as a starter for 10. If every IT failure resulted in the sacking of an exec there would be no one in work !!!

Its quite handy to keep throwing huge numbers at the costs of test, track and trace in a derogatory fashion, but the reality will be that the major part of those costs will be testing and analysis which is now world class. You need a sense of proportion on this one
 
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