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Lockdowns

Funny to see Starmer call for a full lockdown after last week criticising lockdowns.

Labours position on dealing with Covid is about as clear as their Brexit policy in the last election.

Only Party currently standing against the 10pm curfew yesterday was the Lib Dem’s. Shane’s there’s only half a dozen of them
19000 new cases reported today. Up from 14000 yesterday.

still in denial about the impact of the second wave?
 
So much for Herd Immunity?

Bars are packed, Shops are packed and people’s mental health is in top condition in Sweden. There is no sign of a second wave there.

Life could have been like that here now if the Government didn’t wet the bed in March.

And I Hate this image of compassion that do-gooder lockdown lovers paint themselves as. This is what they’re doing to the people they claim to be caring about. No doubt they have good intentions, but I wish they’d just think about the consequences
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Hang on a minute... a herd immunity policy would condemn the elderly and vulnerable to full isolation. The current lockdown doesn’t. They’re as ‘free’ as the rest of us.
 
So long as UK is full of the irresponsible tw@s that it is - in government and amongst the general public - then there is likely no strategy that will work to stop Covid until we have a vaccine. Sweden we are not.
 
So long as UK is full of the irresponsible tw@s that it is - in government and amongst the general public - then there is likely no strategy that will work to stop Covid until we have a vaccine. Sweden we are not.
David Davis even flabbergasted on Peston tonight re lack of penalty clauses in the T&T contracts that have been handed to the serial non performers like Serco, Crapita et al. Some consultants on £7k per day! Yes, you read it right. Effin £7k per day. Scandalous doesn’t do it justice.
 
This situation now is nothing like March, though. Very slow growth compared to March, better treatment, better equipped, people know their own risks better than in March, and we know that the Virus is much less severe than was thought in March.

Despite all that I still think the Government over reacted in March. But with hindsight now we know there isn’t any conclusive proof that this approach works, but there is conclusive proof that there’s catastrophic collateral damage from it.
Sir David King ex Chief Scientific advisor on Peston appalled that we haven’t learned the lessons of last March and didn’t implement a lockdown immediately after Sage recommenced it.

Also recommending moving the T&T system away from the failing Serco contracts to are more local system.
 
19000 new cases reported today. Up from 14000 yesterday.

still in denial about the impact of the second wave?

Jesus, have you read a single thing anyone has actually written?

No ones disputed that “cases“ are slowly rising. The point people are making is that quarantining the healthy, is draconian, destructive to the medium and long term health and futures of everyone. LOCKING DOWN ISNT THE ONLY WAY.

In March the World knew very little. Now we know much more. The Mortality rate for Under 70s is 0.05%.

Hide away if you wish, but you have no right to sneer at those worried about the unnecessary destruction because caused to the future physical health, mental health and financial security if everyone.

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The conclusion states: “The inferred infection fatality rates tended to be MUCH LOWER than estimates made earlier in the pandemic”
 
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Jesus, have you read a single thing anyone has actually written?

No ones disputed that “cases“ are slowly rising. The point people are making is that quarantining the healthy, is draconian, destructive to the medium and long term health and futures of everyone. LOCKING DOWN ISNT THE ONLY WAY.

In March the World knew very little. Now we know much more. The Mortality rate for Under 70s is 0.05%.

Hide away if you wish, but you have no right to sneer at those worried about the unnecessary destruction because caused to the future physical health, mental health and financial security if everyone.

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The conclusion states: “The inferred infection fatality rates tended to be MUCH LOWER than estimates made earlier in the pandemic”
You clearly don’t read things either Andy. The stats clearly show that when the lockdown was introduced last March, the number of cases, hospitalisations and deaths dropped massively.

And I’m sorry but I can’t recall ‘sneering’ at anyone. But I would suggest that the phrase “Hide away if you wish” would fall into this category.

And I am not blind to the other impacts that lockdowns and other restrictions can have on people’s health, jobs and finances. Having been made redundant myself as a direct consequence of the slump caused by Covid I am acutely aware of this.

But if the primary aim is to keep the virus at bay until a vaccine can be deployed, then stopping it from running like wildfire through the country and overcoming the NHS is paramount. Lockdowns have been shown to be the best way of achieving this.
 
Tweet from Ashton Town that I couldn’t agree with more.

“We at Ashton Town AFC have gone to enormous lengths, and considerable cost, to make our club COVID compliant and would find it enormously disappointing, not to say impossible to understand, if our own league @nwcfl now prevented us from playing. #UpTheTown”
 
Tweet from Ashton Town that I couldn’t agree with more.

“We at Ashton Town AFC have gone to enormous lengths, and considerable cost, to make our club COVID compliant and would find it enormously disappointing, not to say impossible to understand, if our own league @nwcfl now prevented us from playing. #UpTheTown”
But the NWCFL aren’t saying that at present. What they have done is to seek the opinions of their member clubs - an entirely reasonable step.

I would anticipate that the decision re the continuation of the league will be taken out of their hands. As more areas go into the ‘top tier’ - which I think is inevitable- then the advice re restrictions on travel between them will make it almost impossible for clubs to stage matches
 
Just listening to LBC and Davey from the Lib Dems has now come out in favour of a "circuit breaker" lockdown of 2 or 3 weeks to "reset" test,track and trace and solve all of its' problems.

2 points -

1 - If the Sage advice about a circuit breaker is so compelling, why is there any doubt whatsoever about the length of the lockdown required? Will it start at 2 weeks and become 6 weeks, when 2 weeks hasn't delivered the required results (whatever they may be)?

2 - Just how much of a "reset" of Test, Track and Trace is possible in 2 weeks? This system has been subject to months of continued development by a project team that probably runs into hundreds of people Does he have a list of all known faults with a plan to fix every fault and that includes end to end testing? Or is it just a finger in the air from someone who doesn't have a clue? My money is on the latter

The biggest problem with why cases are increasing is because people are not following the rules. No amount of circuit breaks or lockdowns is going to work, unless people start using their common sense and stay away from folks you don't know and people you do know who are knobheads !!
 
But the NWCFL aren’t saying that at present. What they have done is to seek the opinions of their member clubs - an entirely reasonable step.

I would anticipate that the decision re the continuation of the league will be taken out of their hands. As more areas go into the ‘top tier’ - which I think is inevitable- then the advice re restrictions on travel between them will make it almost impossible for clubs to stage matches
It’s still something the NWCFL are considering as otherwise they wouldn’t put it to member clubs, James.

Understand that for teams in tier 3 areas it becomes harder to stage games, but there is nothing the government have said which currently stops them. Football can go ahead and supporters can attend games at non-elite games, whether they’re in tier 3 or not. Government advice on not travelling in those areas is advisory not mandatory, so supporters can still make their own minds up if they want to attend games.

I’m sure you’ve seen the news about Andy Burnham fighting against Manchester going into tier three. We’ll have to see whether it happens or not but good for him standing up for the people of Manchester and their jobs and businesses that will be further decimated by this unfair and unscientific regional lockdown approach. As he says regions in the north (no surprises they vote Labour) are being set up as the canaries in the coal mine for an experimental regional lockdown strategy that won’t work, while Tory seats of ministers with higher infection rates get protected. A government truly run for London that doesn’t give two hoots about the north so why should we listen!? King of the north that man.
 
We’re still talking tiny numbers. If you’re a young person, you’re more likely to drown or be involved in a road traffic accident than did if Covid.
Road accidents aren't contagious though :)
 
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Road accidents are contagious though :)
True ? but the way forward for me has to be shield the vulnerable or those who feel it.
There has to come a time when the loss of lives to this virus is balanced against the loss of livelihoods and the long term deaths which will come from lockdowns. We need to have that debate.
 
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Despite the rise is cases over the last month, thankfully patients in Ventilation beds has remained steady.

Pretty pointless paying too much attention to “cases”, some studies suggest that if testing was carried out to the same levels it is now back in March, there could have been over 150,000 positives a day.


France have recently found confirmed cases as far back as December 2019. So it’s reasonable to assume that this virus was in circulation in December in Europe.
 
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I’m sure you’ve seen the news about Andy Burnham fighting against Manchester going into tier three. We’ll have to see whether it happens or not but good for him standing up for the people of Manchester and their jobs and businesses that will be further decimated by this unfair and unscientific regional lockdown approach. As he says regions in the north (no surprises they vote Labour) are being set up as the canaries in the coal mine for an experimental regional lockdown strategy that won’t work, while Tory seats of ministers with higher infection rates get protected. A government truly run for London that doesn’t give two hoots about the north so why should we listen!? King of the north that man.

I don't think the fight is about whether or not Manchester will go into tier 3 - its just at what price. Burnham wants all wages guaranteed 100% and no government can afford to, or will ever, sign up to that precedent
 
I don't think the fight is about whether or not Manchester will go into tier 3 - its just at what price. Burnham wants all wages guaranteed 100% and no government can afford to, or will ever, sign up to that precedent
But this government can sign up to a no deal Brexit which is already costing £ Billions and will cost £ Billions more.? And they have also spaffed £ Billions more employing the serial failures such as Serco, Crapita, PWC (aka Pretty Woeful Company), EY etc using consultants on a daily rate that most people would give their right arm to be paid per month.
 
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